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[00:02]<sdnffdxdlld>lo Jivemonkey :)
[00:03]<jdvgdjgcgd>hey
[00:17]<rxrcr>July CTP of .net 3.0 is out
[00:18]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>CTP means what chaka?
[00:18]<sdnffdxdlld>community technology preview
[00:18]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>oh
[00:19]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>beta
[00:20]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah but one aimed at devs to get used to ready for gold
[00:20]<rxrcr>it's gettin close
[00:20]<sdnffdxdlld>like the rC's ... release candidates
[00:20]<sdnffdxdlld>RC's
[00:21]<sdnffdxdlld>I might suggest at work we try it out since we're not releasing till next year
[00:23]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>smellyhippy, are you working with C# on windows?
[00:23]<sdnffdxdlld>yer
[00:23]<txnjzd>I've only just moved over to 2.0 :-s
[00:23]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>what source control system and bug tracking system?
[00:23]<sdnffdxdlld>source safe and gemini by countersoft
[00:23]<rxrcr>er 3.0 is the renamed WinFX packages. I'm really not sure why ms is going with the 3.0 name, other than to try and spur adoption
[00:23]<awjzdd>vss?
[00:24]<awjzdd>are you serious?
[00:24]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah
[00:24]<awjzdd>you're really using vss?
[00:24]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>I was looking at team foundation server, but it looks too rigid and alpha
[00:24]<sdnffdxdlld>works fine for our size ... except it has issues with some of the way i constantly change files without using the editor
[00:25]<sdnffdxdlld>i'd like something better but that means effort
[00:25]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>is VSS good for teams in different locations
[00:25]<txnjzd>mmm subversion
[00:25]<awjzdd>smellyhippy: cvsdude.org
[00:25]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>1/2 of our dev team is in PA and the other here in Tampa, FL
[00:25]<txnjzd>work_metaperl: you can buy addons that make it possible
[00:25]<awjzdd>cvsdude.org has both cvs and svn
[00:25]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>I see
[00:25]<txnjzd>out of the box you are probably going to have "fun"
[00:25]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah vss has built in http support for over the net
[00:25]<sdnffdxdlld>and you can of course go over vpn
[00:25]<awjzdd>vss makes baby jesus cry
[00:25]<mzguv006zj>yo guys, a small question : an if I have more threads waiting for a AutoResetEvent, when I set it, I'll get it only in one thread, right? the other threads will continue waiting? am I right or wrong?
[00:25]<txnjzd>smellyhippy: it does?
[00:26]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah 2005 does
[00:26]<txnjzd>you mean they've actually added features to it?
[00:26]<sdnffdxdlld>yeah ... dont get too excited though they done jack shit to the rest
[00:26]<txnjzd>I thought it was just being mothballed completely
[00:26]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>Team Foundation Server is a big whale :)
[00:26]<sdnffdxdlld>and cvs can suck my balls :P svn might be a better option but i havent seen a good intergration of it with VS yet
[00:26]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>I was stunned by all it does. But that sort of integrated model is ambitious and in some cases needed
[00:27]<awjzdd>vss is just sad
[00:27]<rxrcr>smellyhippy, ankh doesn't work?
[00:27]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>ankh? is that a source control system?
[00:27]<awjzdd>i'd rather just share a drive on teh server than use VSS
[00:27]<sdnffdxdlld>oh yeah shared drive is so good :P
[00:27]<awjzdd>lol
[00:27]<mzguv006zj>somebody ?
[00:28]<sdnffdxdlld>ankh doesnt look very up to date ... i'll give it a go though
[00:28]<rxrcr>work_metaperl, it's VS Addin for subversion
[00:28]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>oh
[00:29]<awjzdd>smellyhippy: spend 10 bucks a month and get a cvsdude account.
[00:29]<rxrcr>smellyhippy, yeah the latest dev bits were released in like may, but last I checked it worked fine
[00:29]<rxrcr>haven't needed to use it since we finally got enlistment
[00:29]<sdnffdxdlld>jwormy: we wouldnt ever use a host solution anyway
[00:30]<awjzdd>smellyhippy why?
[00:30]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>chaka, what's enlistment?
[00:30]<sdnffdxdlld>because we work locally? if not we vpn
[00:30]<sdnffdxdlld>I dont think the managers would like the code being out of house either
[00:30]<awjzdd>smellyhippy, yo shit ain't that special ;)
[00:31]<rxrcr>work_metaperl, source depot enlistment. Internal Microsoft source control
[00:31]<awjzdd>smellyhippy: cvsdude is great for taking the hassel off your hands...
[00:31]<sdnffdxdlld>no it isnt but I'm not one of the managers and if i was I'd be questioning the thinking of a host soltuion when we have in house servers :P
[00:31]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>oh wow, you work at Microsoft!
[00:31]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>thanks for joining us
[00:31]<awjzdd>who does?
[00:31]<rxrcr>heh
[00:32]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>chaka does
[00:32]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>evidently
[00:32]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>based on whois data
[00:32]<rxrcr>work_metaperl, nothing special. I've been here a while
[00:32]<awjzdd>pfft
[00:32]<sdnffdxdlld>yer we get quite a lot of MS dudes
[00:32]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>I'm getting out of Perl... Perl is a dying language.. Ruby and Python are smacking it up
[00:33]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>I was a perl professional for 6 years: http://www.metaperl.com
[00:33]<y-gz>who works at microsoft ?
[00:33]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>all the groupies come out :)
[00:33]<cjmgrug>i wanna be a ms dude in the future.. :(
[00:33]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>chaka does
[00:33]<awjzdd>ehh i'd much rather talk with folks that are not 1 in a million worker ants ;)
[00:33]<wjzc_dnvzfnzf>anyway, it is 5:30 pm and quitting time for me. Catch you cats on the rebound tomorrow
[00:33]<awjzdd>not to take anything away from MS guys, or any monster company programmers.
[00:34]<y-gz>ms is just yet another company
[00:34]<cjmgrug>rephrase MS is another Company :)
[00:34]<cjmgrug>:p
[00:35]<y-gz>i doubt it's anything "special" to work there
[00:35]<sdnffdxdlld>depends which sections you work in and the position you hold
[00:35]<lnvnzxu>not true, it's like working in peewee's play house
[00:35]<lnvnzxu>unimaginable fun
[00:35]<sdnffdxdlld>but then thats true of many places
[00:35]<rxrcr>never worked for a company where every dev in the building is smarter than me. Other than that, it's nothing special
[00:35]<rxrcr>it's really easy to get answers
[00:35]<y-gz>why do they make such crap then ?
[00:36]<y-gz>if they are so smart
[00:36]<txnjzd>i-nZ: example of a crap recent ms product?
[00:36]<awjzdd>i-nZ: if they let 5 guys make 1 piece of software rather than 5000, then it'd be better

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