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[16:53]<xzzdzzax>bonsaikitten: the drivers for them crash a lot
[16:53]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, never said FX, only X2 ... you don't need teh fastest
[16:53]<fdnfmd>TomM1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17
[16:53]<2jgsrycyvvgg>hramrach, they have done that since 1993 or so, ATi lost me as a customer back then
[16:53]<vjlqqq>Is E17 anywhere near complete?
[16:54]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: no offense the X2 is great if you are buying ner, but not good enough to replace my dual
[16:54]<tfkdfn>top222: well, you can count the two major consumer-card producing vendors out of that race, since both produce binary-only drivers and the dri/opensource replacements will never be fully supported by the company (nor will they ever have full support for the cards themselves)
[16:54]<vjlqqq>Can I easily disable "focus follows mouse" in E17?
[16:54]<gnvszjv>Hi, I was running emerge -u world and I also updated to 2006 profile, and somehow my cdrom doesn't exist in /dev/cdrom ?
[16:54]<kydy_r>TFKyle: even adding that to package.nask, still erroring on >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-v4l-0.1.1...
[16:54]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, the X2 stomps the old XP/MP procs quite heavily, I'd take 500Mhz less if it got me an athlon64 instead
[16:54]<vjlqqq>TFKyle: Has the open cores video card project gone anywhere?
[16:55]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: one of them yeah, but not two in smp
[16:55]<caayza>bah
[16:55]<tjddw>Fieldy: thnx
[16:55]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, the X2 is SMP :-)
[16:55]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: did you happen to unmask xorg in your /etc/portage/package.unmask? (.unmask takes effect over .mask)
[16:56]<vjlqqq>I just wonder how difficult would it be to totally reverse engineer all traffic between an ATI or nVIDIA card and the drivers
[16:56]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: i would have to have them running side by side, but i have done some BM testing w/ a buddy that has a X2 and i compile faster
[16:56]<fdnfmd>top222: e17 is still cvs / alpha state. it has been in development so long that it's entering the "duke nukem forever" vaporware stage.
[16:56]<xzzdzzax>top222: I doubt there is an open core that gets you more that you get with opensurce drivers for the usual cards
[16:56]<tfkdfn>oh, that wouldn't work... right
[16:56]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: i know that it's not an exact comparison or anything
[16:56]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, i've done testing amd64 vs. athlonXP, and it wasn't fun
[16:56]<tfkdfn>(since you have apps which dep on the modular package)
[16:56]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, plus the X2 has about 180% compile performance of the single athlon64, so it's a lot faster
[16:56]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: absolutley, my 64 at work crushes my xp here. but not my dual
[16:57]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, emerge -e system 8h vs. 2h30 vs. 1h30 ... no contests
[16:57]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: you'll have to migrate to xorg 7 before finishing the revdep-rebuild, take it out of /etc/portage/package.mask and hope for the bes :)
[16:57]<tfkdfn>*best
[16:57]<bjmd>how can y install this ?? cedega-4.2ForSteam-1.i386.rpm ??
[16:57]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Body, argh :-) that will be tricky
[16:57]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: no doubt,, in single proc config, there is no competing. but in dual mode. it's not worth the money to replace my dual. at least not yet
[16:57]<tfkdfn>Body: cedega 4.2 is old
[16:58]<bjmd>who can tell me the new?
[16:58]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, depends on your workload ... my single XP is getting very crowded, so I'll upgrade soonish
[16:58]<fdnfmd>cedega is in portage anyway.
[16:58]<kydy_r>TFKyle: yeah, i'm thinking that's the only solution. i just wish to heck i knew what caused this
[16:58]<tfkdfn>Body: 5.1 is the newest version of "cedega", the engine is 5.0.3 or something I think
[16:59]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: what caused what? I can probably tell you (though you might not understand my blabbering)
[16:59]<znv666>I thought you were supposed to pay for Cedega?
[16:59]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: my single xp is doing ok, but it is only my web server,, firewall mail server
[16:59]<tfkdfn>rev667: you are, cedega in portage has fetch restriction
[16:59]<znv666>arg! damn samba won't do as it's told
[17:00]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, heh ... 1Ghz Athlon is my homeserver, has been up for almost 1,5 years - works fine, no need to upgrade
[17:00]<bjmd>but how can y download cedega 5.1 ?
[17:00]<svzzc>where in the kernel is the usb support?
[17:00]<tfkdfn>rev667: and with cedega 5.1 the engine (the meat of it) is seperate and you have to install it from the gui
[17:00]<kydy_r>TFKyle: what caused this libexpat proob to come up out of (seemingly) nowhere. everything was fine monday or tuesday. all i did between then and yesterday was a sync and an update to portage
[17:00]<tfkdfn>Body: by paying transgaming and downloading it from them
[17:01]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: and you just updated portage? (emerge portage)
[17:01]<zrd_gygsvgyg>for emerge to work with proxy, is it sufficient if I configure wget?
[17:01]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: mines the XP and i'm in total agreement, no need to upgrade at all. in fact it's overkill for what i'm using it for
[17:01]<2jgsrycyvvgg>ram_einstein, yes
[17:01]<zrd_gygsvgyg>bonsaikitten: thank you
[17:01]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: if you happened to update expat to 2.0 somehow thats what caused it
[17:01]<mrrrryj>hi everybody
[17:01]<vjlqqq>What do you know about Kuroo?
[17:02]<svzzc>where in the kernel is the usb support?
[17:02]<2jgsrycyvvgg>ram_einstein, emerge --sync uses rsync, that runs on a different port (869?), if that fails you may wish to use emerge-webrsync
[17:02]<kydy_r>TFKyle: yeah, i did a sync on friday. and it recomended an uptade to portage (which I did) got on the machine yesterday and went to check my mail and thunderbird wouldn't start...
[17:02]<zrd_gygsvgyg>bonsaikitten: yes, thank you/
[17:02]<fdnfmd>ram_einstein: what I do is create /etc/env.d/99local with the variables http_proxy and ftp_proxy set. almost all apps will pick that up on next boot.
[17:02]<zrd_gygsvgyg>does links require an additional configuration?
[17:02]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: i need a link to a good howto/wiki on setting up a usb network printer
[17:02]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: its possible that portage depended on something, that depended on something else, that depended on something else, that eventually depended on expat 2.0 and thus it got updated
[17:02]<zrd_gygsvgyg>Fieldy: Thanks!
[17:03]<zrd_gygsvgyg>Fieldy: what's the significance of 99 in 99local though?
[17:03]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, depends on model etc, usually on the linux side it's a ipp remote printer
[17:03]<fdnfmd>portage does use rsync for updating the portage tree, however running that through a proxy is pointless
[17:03]<2jgsrycyvvgg>ram_einstein, that's evaluation order, 99 comes last
[17:03]<tfkdfn>ram_einstein: just the ordering, 99 gets sourced after everything else
[17:03]<zrd_gygsvgyg>I see
[17:03]<kydy_r>TFKyle: yeah, it's possible. although i thought i looked through my merrge logs for that portage and didn't see anything else getting merged
[17:03]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Fieldy, if you _only_ have a proxy it's also blocked :-)
[17:03]<tfkdfn>hmm, odd
[17:04]<zrd_gygsvgyg>so apps like firefox, gaim, portage, links will work seamlessly?
[17:04]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: it's a Canon s800
[17:04]<zrd_gygsvgyg>that's really cool
[17:04]<fdnfmd>bonsaikitten: obviously
[17:04]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, usb printer with an usb-to-ethernet printserver?
[17:04]<fdnfmd>ram_einstein: most apps respect those variables. others are braindead and have to be set up manually.
[17:04]<vdx`>please, help me with emerging xinit-1.0.2-r4, error and emerge --info is here -> http://pastebin.com/744767
[17:05]<zrd_gygsvgyg>Fieldy: okay, thanks a bunch for that. I was struggling in hell to strighthen out all the apps
[17:05]<tfkdfn>Kimi_R: what version of expat do you have merged currently?
[17:05]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: it's a usb printer that i want to plug into my server and hacve access to from my other machines. that's all
[17:05]<kydy_r>TFKyle: i'll have to check
[17:05]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, ah, then set cups up locally and then find out how to make cups do remote stuff
[17:05]<xzzdzzax>How can I tell what package I should install to get a file like fprintf.3 ?
[17:05]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, it's not hard, I think you just have to comment the "local only" stuff out
[17:06]<kydy_r>bonsaikitten: so just get cups running ong the server side. then same on the machines
[17:06]<tfkdfn>woah, the slider in clearlooks cvs gained highlights, nice
[17:06]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Kimi_R, yes, and basically you tell cups to use the printer on that remote server and then it magically works
[17:06]<dgpvjaxygj>any particular reason why autoconf and all that goes wiht it (m4) take up 99% CPU when compiling those gst plugins?
[17:07]<bjmd>how is command to copy in konsole ?
[17:07]<bjmd>and paste ...
[17:07]<vuwyac>gah
[17:07]<2jgsrycyvvgg>Body, ctrl-c ctrl-v or select, middle mouse button
[17:07]<caayza>Body: konsole? or console
[17:08]<bjmd>konsole

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