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[17:46]<slcjd2>100 euros will probably last you about 10 minutes
[17:46]<slcjd2>the wattage also matters
[17:46]<slcjd2>so it depends on what yor computer draws
[17:46]<slcjd2>APC 3000 VA ups
[17:46]<kyddja>I don't want 10 minutes...
[17:46]<slcjd2>19" Rackmount, 3U high
[17:46]<kyddja>I want more like 10 seconds max.
[17:46]<slcjd2>2200 Watts max
[17:46]<slcjd2>weighs 60 kilos
[17:47]<kyddja>Well... one Mini-ITX and one midtower server.
[17:47]<slcjd2>and will hold my server alone up for at least 3-4 hours
[17:47]<slcjd2>hmm
[17:47]<kyddja>Can you put the PSU directly to the master socket?
[17:47]<slcjd2>well, a 250 W ups would probably go at around 50-60 euros
[17:47]<slcjd2>at least here in euroland, in america they are often cheaper
[17:47]<kyddja>I don't know the combined wattage :(
[17:47]<slcjd2>also, chekc out ebay
[17:48]<kyddja>eBay is worthless.
[17:48]<slcjd2>I got this ups refurbished for 303 euros
[17:48]<kyddja>GAH!
[17:48]<slcjd2>retail price new is like 1300 euros
[17:48]<kyddja>That's a lot of money.
[17:48]<kyddja>GAH^29!
[17:48]<slcjd2>well, it's a BIG ups
[17:48]<slcjd2>datacenter-style
[17:48]<kyddja>Gleh.
[17:48]<slcjd2>could power 10s of computers
[17:48]<slcjd2>where do you live?
[17:49]<slcjd2>a ups is always a nice thing to have
[17:49]<slcjd2>where I live, three powerouts in a day isn't too rare
[17:49]<slcjd2>short < 1s ones, mind
[17:49]<kyddja>My server just sent me this: "New IP: 127.0.0.1"
[17:49]<kyddja>Grrrrrr!
[17:49]<slcjd2>http://computer.search.ebay.de/ups_USV_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR8QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ115497
[17:49]<slcjd2>check out those
[17:50]<kyddja>Either my script is broken, or it's not re-grabbing DHCP...
[17:50]<slcjd2>http://cgi.ebay.de/Mustek-UPS-PowerMust-600-USB-TOP-OVP_W0QQitemZ9739482667QQcategoryZ26810QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[17:51]<kyddja>Insane hardware...
[17:51]<slcjd2>360W
[17:51]<slcjd2>for 10 - 34 euros
[17:51]<kyddja>Are they 100% silent while not working actively?
[17:51]<kyddja>And do they make any noise while giving power from their own batteries?
[17:51]<slcjd2>at least the smaller ones are
[17:52]<slcjd2>my normal upses are silent
[17:52]<kyddja>Hmm...
[17:52]<slcjd2>they click and make a small buzz when powering off battery
[17:52]<kyddja>It sucks when computers die due to lack of power.
[17:52]<slcjd2>but that shouldn't relly be a concern
[17:52]<slcjd2>who cares if it shines neon pink during a powerout :P
[17:52]<kyddja>Hehe.
[17:52]<kyddja>Indeed.
[17:52]<slcjd2>my big ups has a 80mm fan in it, and it is on during a power cut, and every now and then when charging the batteries
[17:52]<kyddja>Actually, it should make some kind of alarming noise.
[17:53]<slcjd2>they beep
[17:53]<kyddja>Hmm...
[17:53]<slcjd2>but they are also configurable
[17:53]<kyddja>Wish they'd built in these things in flats.
[17:53]<slcjd2>mine has a "disable alarm between <time> and <time>
[17:53]<slcjd2>"
[17:53]<slcjd2>expensive
[17:53]<kyddja>So that there's a master UPS.
[17:53]<slcjd2>very expensive
[17:53]<kyddja><:(
[17:54]<kyddja>Well... modern hardware is sensitive.
[17:54]<slcjd2>if you do get a ups, don't plug a crt into it, consider if you want to plug in a TFT
[17:54]<slcjd2>I have my TFTs plugged into my ups
[17:54]<kyddja>Wait... WHAT?
[17:54]<slcjd2>but on my server, I don't
[17:54]<kyddja>Why would I have a monitor in an UPS?
[17:54]<kyddja>(A?)
[17:54]<slcjd2>so that you can see to shut down your compute rin the case of a powerout
[17:54]<slcjd2>my server shuts itself down when batter goes below 2 min remaining
[17:55]<dr2yrg>I ordered the crap
[17:55]<kyddja>Hmm...
[17:55]<slcjd2>a ups is always a good thing to have
[17:55]<kyddja>Dabian: What crap?
[17:55]<slcjd2>I have one on all my computers at home
[17:55]<kyddja>Indeed...
[17:55]<slcjd2>and will have in the future
[17:55]<kyddja>A lot of things are good to have, but cost money.
[17:55]<kyddja>I must hurry to be able to pay next month's bills.
[17:55]<slcjd2>well, where I currently live, a ups is a neseccity
[17:55]<kyddja>On the country?
[17:55]<slcjd2>http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/ups-info/
[17:55]<slcjd2>look at the bottom
[17:56]<slcjd2>well, it's in the countryside
[17:56]<slcjd2>so unreliable power
[17:56]<trssyud>If I order a larger hard drive for my laptop using a newer spec than my laptop uses (ATA-6, where I think my current drive is ATA-5), will it degrade gracefully and still work, although at a lower-than-potential speed for that drive?
[17:56]<slcjd2>count the power failures :/
[17:56]<kyddja>Heh. Logs...
[17:57]<slcjd2>Tassium: should do
[17:57]<slcjd2>at least my hard drives did
[17:57]<slcjd2>backwards compatibility is common
[17:57]<trssyud>SpComb: That's what I thought too, just wanted to bounce the idea off some others before I drop the money for it
[17:57]<slcjd2>depends on the hard drive
[17:58]<dr2yrg>KimmoA : New puter. AM2, ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe, 2GB dual chan corsair, enermax liberty, coolermaster cm stacker, xfx geforce 7900gt, AMD64 2.2 GHz x 2 (512MB L2 x 2)
[17:58]<slcjd2>it should, but you should be able to look it up...
[17:58]<kyddja>Luxury...
[17:58]<trssyud>SpComb: That doesn't seem to be a listed spec whenever I shop
[17:58]<slcjd2>X2 4400?

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