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[00:39]<slcjd2>hmm
[00:40]<slcjd2>I've found out that many computer parts are cheaper in this hardware store in munich than online
[00:40]<slcjd2>so I have a choice of these mobo - cpu - cooler bundles...
[00:41]<yvzn2rf>X2 vs. FX for an AMD SLI board, gaming PC
[00:42]<slcjd2>FX = expensive, but good
[00:42]<svjzc>more and more games recently are having SMP support
[00:42]<svjzc>so if you're looking to the future, go X2, but if you want power now, get FX
[00:42]<svjzc>FX can get overclocked like mad :)
[00:43]<yvzn2rf>so if i have the cash, FX is the way to go - otherwise stick to X2 as it'll come around?
[00:43]<svjzc>well, if you have uber cash, get and FX dual core ^_^
[00:43]<yvzn2rf>hah! i don't have that much :)
[00:44]<svjzc>haha, MD AM2 FX 62 Windsor Core, Dual Core 2.8GHz, 1MB x 2 Cache is only like $1200
[00:44]<slcjd2>FX 60 is dualcore, right?
[00:44]<yvzn2rf>and wtf is the point of overclocking ram? what advantage does it give you?
[00:45]<slcjd2>but some things are weird
[00:45]<slcjd2>this one proc costs *twice* as much online as it does in this store
[00:45]<slcjd2>which is a bit weird
[00:45]<svjzc>itrebal, faster ram :)
[00:45]<slcjd2>Asus A8N-E + AMD 3000+ + Cooler = 196.00e
[00:46]<slcjd2>I want to buy a new mobo and proc for my server
[00:46]<yvzn2rf>SpComb: i'll take the old one :)
[00:46]<svjzc>nice
[00:46]<svjzc>my dad wont buy me any hardware for my server
[00:46]<svjzc>so i'm stuck with a 450MHz intel P2
[00:46]<slcjd2>so I don't need a SLi mobo, and I would appreciate something with a good GBps port
[00:46]<slcjd2>*GB ethernet
[00:47]<slcjd2>hah, I'm paying this out of my own pocket
[00:47]<slcjd2>having a job is a good thing
[00:47]<yvzn2rf>SpComb: i wish i had a job :)
[00:47]<slcjd2>so how does the Asus A8N-E sound?
[00:48]<slcjd2>and I think I'll just stick with the Athlong 64 3000
[00:48]<slcjd2>should be quite enough for my lil server
[00:48]<slcjd2>-g
[00:48]<slcjd2>and the 196 euros is probably quite a good price
[00:48]<svjzc>SpComb, if it's server specific, wouldn't you save money buy having no onboard sound etc?
[00:49]<slcjd2>yes
[00:49]<slcjd2>but It's probably not too easy to find one like that
[00:49]<slcjd2>dunno
[00:49]<yvzn2rf>sound is cheap, no reason to fight getting it
[00:49]<yvzn2rf>*not*
[00:49]<slcjd2>and also, I've heard Abit has it's roots in server mobos or something
[00:50]<slcjd2>Asus A8N-E + AMD 3500+ + Cooler = 211.00e
[00:50]<slcjd2>hmm, I'd get a 500Mhz hike for 20 euro
[00:51]<svjzc>true itrebal
[00:52]<slcjd2>it might cost more to get a mobo without it :P
[00:52]<svjzc>now that would be curious
[00:53]<yvzn2rf>haha i'm having a blast with this computer....
[00:54]<yvzn2rf>a friend of mine said "i love playing games like halo 2 far-cry etc, my computer isn't good enough, build me one - i'll pay for it, i don't care how much" so i'm going all out, its hott
[00:55]<2av>7900gt?
[00:55]<2av>or is it.. _2_ 7900gts :)
[00:56]<slcjd2>four 7950 GTX
[00:56]<slcjd2>pity it's not possible :/
[00:56]<slcjd2>well, it is. Octo-SLI might be fun
[00:58]<yvzn2rf>shit, i dont even know how to put together SLI but i'm building one :)
[00:58]<slcjd2>I'd like to get a motherboard with GB-eth and SATA2 that don't suck
[00:58]<yvzn2rf>bah! just $2,621 - i could do better :)
[00:58]<slcjd2>I don't care enough to get some weird server-specific mobo, but I won't want to get anything that sucks
[00:59]<slcjd2>what?
[00:59]<slcjd2>that's not much
[00:59]<slcjd2>although, I guess I can't really compare that to what I spent ~6 months ago in finland
[00:59]<yvzn2rf>?
[00:59]<2av>that's alot of cash for a built system.
[00:59]<2av>alienware/etc is just stupid expensive.
[01:05]<slcjd2>hmm, a no-nb-fan mobo would also be nice
[01:06]<slcjd2>if it was silent enough to keep in my room
[01:06]<slcjd2>the Asus A8N-E seems quite nice from a features-point-of-view
[01:06]<yvzn2rf>alright gotta go
[01:12]<slcjd2>although a IGP mobo would also be nice
[01:12]<slcjd2>so I don't have to find some throwaway gfx card
[01:27]<slcjd2>hmm
[01:28]<slcjd2>Asus A8N-E + cheapest gfx card available || Asus A8N-VM CSM?
[01:28]<slcjd2>the latter option is cheaper
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[01:46]<2av>A8N-VM CSM looks like the obvious win.
[01:46]<slcjd2>how so?
[01:46]<slcjd2>price isn't the only concern... I don't want to end up with a crap SATA2 or Gbit thing
[01:47]<2av>*looks again.
[01:47]<2av>yeah, CSM has that 430 sb
[01:48]<2av>ive had 0 problems with sata on that
[01:48]<slcjd2>hmm, southbridges
[01:48]<slcjd2>and what about the A8N-E ?
[01:49]<2av>sb some kind of problem?
[01:49]<ldq>Hi - I'm wonder what some favorite online vendors for computer parts are (in the USA).
[01:50]<2av>newegg, followed by whatever is cheaper from froogle
[01:51]<slcjd2>the A8N-E has a nice set of PCI slots
[01:51]<slcjd2>like 6 of them
[01:52]<2av>SpComb: well, both gigabit, both sata/300
[01:52]<ldq>any comments re mwave?
[01:52]<2av>A8N-E looks like it has 3vs 2 pci
[01:53]<slcjd2>the Gbit on the -VM is quite good according to Anandtech
[01:54]<slcjd2>there is only one review on the -E and it sucks
[01:57]<2av>id still go for the -VM, unless the 1 pci slot you would get from the -E is mission-critical
[01:57]<2av>then i guess you'd have to get a pci-e 7300, or something for setup.
[01:59]<slcjd2>the -VM is also passive
[02:00]<slcjd2>cheapest gfx card at this store is 43 euros
[02:00]<2av>passive?
[02:01]<2av>oh, fanless.
[02:01]<slcjd2>yeah
[02:01]<slcjd2>I have good case cooling, so it shouldn't be a problem
[02:02]<2av>nb fans are a gimmick. they always whack out and quit on you.

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