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[03:24]<ludl>but there i just see interference
[03:24]<ludl>yes, just in ntsc i can see SOME things
[03:24]<ludl>black and white and with interference
[03:24]<wzpnz>what's the source?
[03:25]<ludl>i run a scan tv and it doesn't found any channel
[03:25]<ludl>cable tv
[03:25]<wzpnz>have you used the card before, before the PAL
[03:26]<ludl>i have it working perfectly in windows
[03:26]<ludl>the problem is not the card
[03:26]<wzpnz>what OS are you running
[03:26]<ludl>windows and ubuntu, i have dual boot
[03:26]<wzpnz>ubuntu.....is that a distribution of linux
[03:27]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Its a crappy one
[03:27]<wzpnz>is the correct driver loaded
[03:28]<wzpnz>if a generic driver is being used that could cause the prob
[03:28]<ludl>solemnwarning: it ain't crappy
[03:28]<ludl>yes, i think there is a problem with the driver
[03:28]<ludl>it's not a generic driver
[03:28]<ludl>it's for the chip that this card has
[03:28]<wzpnz>does pinnacle support linux drivers
[03:28]<ludl>and the tuner is configured apart from that
[03:29]<ludl>i don't know if there are official drivers, i think there aren't
[03:29]<wzpnz>have you tried a different distr. of linux
[03:29]<ludl>no
[03:29]<wzpnz>knoppix is one i've found to be usefull in some situations
[03:29]<wzpnz>it runs off of cd or dvd
[03:30]<wzpnz>doesn't require installation
[03:30]<ludl>yes, i know it
[03:30]<ludl>i'll try with that
[03:30]<ludl>thanks
[03:30]<wzpnz>hopefully you have better luck with it
[03:51]<frrxgdrg>hi ppl. = ambient temperture the temp in the case ? my video card has ambient and core temps what do they mean?
[03:52]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Is it possible to underclock an 800MHz duron to 200MHz?
[03:54]<[wv]>i think i want to turn an old cd rom drive into a cupholder. anyone know if there is an easy step by step way to do this online, as my 12 oz can of ginger ale does not quite neatly fit into it now as it stands
[03:56]<vzyppym_hugvnz>[xt]: buy or borrow a dremel and some hot glue and some scrap material, and start playing ;)
[03:57]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Is it possible to underclock an 800MHz duron to 200MHz and if its done can it be run with no fan?
[03:57]<2zyac>solemnwarning, i think it depends on the BIOS options
[03:57]<2zyac>you might be able to do it by cutting bridges but it will take some reading
[04:06]<lvmq007>Just curious, why would someone cut their processor power from 800mhz to 200mhz?
[04:06]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Embedded type box
[04:06]<vzyppym_hugvnz>pvd2006: overheating or idling or power saving
[04:06]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Fans are noisy, and 800 to 200 is a quarter of the power/heat :)
[04:07]<lvmq007>ah ok
[04:07]<lvmq007>Does it help a lot when you cut the processor power down on a laptop by half?
[04:07]<lvmq007>to save battery life
[04:08]<vzyppym_hugvnz>pvd2006: last time I checked a centrino lappy, I got 50% longer life with frequency scaling enabled, and up to 80% if I forced it to lowest all the time
[04:08]<lvmq007>Wow
[04:09]<vzyppym_hugvnz>yeah.. 2hrs w/o scaling, 3hrs with scaling and work being done, and could idle for almost 4hrs
[04:10]<lvmq007>They have batteries nowadays that last a lot longer than 2 hours though dont they.
[04:11]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>If its possible to underclock an 800MHz duron down to 200MHz would it be safe to run with no fan?
[04:11]<vzyppym_hugvnz>the battery was half dead at the time
[04:11]<vzyppym_hugvnz>solemnwarning: it'll generate some heat even at 200mhz, so you're relying on convection cooling. keep that in mind and you should be right
[04:12]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Whats "convection cooling"?
[04:12]<vzyppym_hugvnz>solemnwarning: letting the hot air rise by itself, pulling cold air in beneath it
[04:12]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Ah
[04:12]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>I mean with some thermal compound and a heatsink
[04:12]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Running without a heatsink would be insane
[04:13]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Even 486's have heatsinks
[04:13]<vzyppym_hugvnz>who said anything about no heatsink?
[04:13]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>"letting the hot air rise by itself"
[04:13]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>I thought you meant no heatsink by that
[04:14]<vzyppym_hugvnz>it's the heatsink which transfers heat to the air to make it hot in the first place ;)
[04:14]<vzyppym_hugvnz>I was going by your 'no fan' comment
[04:14]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>ok
[04:15]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Will a big heatsink cool it better?
[04:15]<vzyppym_hugvnz>yep
[04:15]<vzyppym_hugvnz>but materials and design matter too
[04:15]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>I have one with a copper base on my desk
[04:15]<vzyppym_hugvnz>if you can, get a skived (one piece) copper heatsink, perhaps a zalman
[04:15]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Its designed to have an 8cm fan
[04:15]<vzyppym_hugvnz>because every junction the heat has to cross is less cooling efficiency
[04:15]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>This is about an inch high
[04:16]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>just under 8cm fan width/length
[04:16]<vzyppym_hugvnz>you'll want to lap it first for good contact, and monitor it's temperature when you're testing the machine
[04:16]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>And a CPU sized copper bit on the bottom
[04:17]<vzyppym_hugvnz>it might be wise to get a fan (or controller) that doesn't turn on unless it's above a certain temperature
[04:17]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Can I unplug a running CPU fan without surging the mobo to a point where it kills somthing?
[04:17]<vzyppym_hugvnz>solemnwarning: i doubt it.. you can't even unplug pci cards without the machine having a fit and rebooting
[04:17]<2zyac>yes, for a few seconds, solemnwarning
[04:17]<2zyac>i have done it many times
[04:17]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>PCI cards are kind of advanced compared to a motor
[04:18]<vzyppym_hugvnz>oh a fan.. yeah no worries with fans.. i thought you just said cpu
[04:18]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>LOL
[04:18]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Unplug a CPU XD
[04:18]<[wv]>is there precedent for taking apart a minifridge and turning it into a computer cooling system
[04:18]<vzyppym_hugvnz>hotpluggable cpus are mentioned in kernel config ;)
[04:18]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>o_O
[04:18]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>There are hotpluggable CPUs?!
[04:19]<vzyppym_hugvnz>[xt]: compression or tec?
[04:19]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>Thats just insanity * infinity
[04:20]<[wv]>huh. just a normal refrigerator
[04:20]<vzyppym_hugvnz>[xt]: some use compressors and coils like full size fridges, some use tecs (peltiers). tecs are easier to use in computers, but usually aren't worth the extra power use or extra in-case heat
[04:20]<2fyl>there is a hotswap pci spec
[04:20]<[wv]>oh. yeah, compressor & coil
[04:21]<vzyppym_hugvnz>[xt]: you'd need to run a watercooler radiator through the inside of it for that to work
[04:21]<[wv]>but i could probably overclock to like 15 ghz if i did that right?
[04:22]<vzyppym_hugvnz>lol no
[04:22]<vzyppym_hugvnz>[xt]: overclocking is limited by the fact that your silicon will die at about 120 degrees c, and there's a limited rate that heat can move from the silicon to the heatsink
[04:23]<frrxgdrg>nitroxygen
[04:23]<sjfrdrwzzryrr>"If I put my CPU in a block of ice, I can use 1THz, right?"

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