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[09:21]<mnzmzjjv>Biblio-: otherwise known as the microsoft platform
[09:21]<znysyj>the reason is simple and unquestionable
[09:22]<znysyj>in reality there exist different things with similar names but different cases
[09:22]<znysyj>sometimes these things must be represented on a computer
[09:22]<znysyj>i.e.: they must be distinguishable
[09:22]<mnzmzjjv>"i help my uncle jack off a horse" vs "i help my uncle Jack off a horse"
[09:22]<znysyj>:p
[09:23]<mrmfyfjv>deadroot, what a... charming... example... :P
[09:23]<mnzmzjjv>:)
[09:23]<znysyj>computer systems just have to be able to handle humans' silliness
[09:23]<znysyj>rampant, meaningless capitalization among it
[09:24]<znysyj>our standard alphabet only having 26 characters doesn't help, either
[09:24]<znysyj>can double it by adding caps
[09:24]<znysyj>then instead of just -c params we can have -C params OOOOH!
[09:25]<2y2fyj->so, in short, there isn't any. thanks.
[09:26]<znysyj>well either that or you have an empty head :p
[09:26]<mrmfyfjv>reisio, ever get the impression that some people just don't *want* to comprehend things you've just understood? ;)
[09:26]<mrmfyfjv>just explained, rather... gah
[09:26]<2y2fyj->i have empty eyes for idiocies
[09:26]<znysyj>people _can_ input a 'B' or a 'b'
[09:26]<2y2fyj->when people depart from logic, i see no reason to follow, myself
[09:26]<znysyj>therefore the stuff must support either
[09:32]<znzjs>there's also the issue of software dependency, software that assumes a case insensitive system often fails when its case sensitive
[09:33]<znzjs>fopen('foo.csv'); fwrite('Foo.csv'); heh
[09:41]<sjfus_wjzc>hello
[09:41]<znysyj>'lo
[09:43]<sjfus_wjzc>I have a fieldset with display:inline, and in it I have a table, in firefox1.5 that table looks very wierd, cells are not aligned
[10:15]<bnrcr>anyone got a way to embed a soud to a webpage i tried using embed tags an dfor somereason it doesn't work
[10:16]<gjss>embed as play on-visit?
[10:16]<mrmfyfjv>why do you want to inflict random noise on your visitors?
[10:16]<bnrcr>not a playlist just one song
[10:16]<bnrcr>mac cos im nice like that :)
[10:17]<bnrcr>Madpilot* even
[10:18]<bnrcr>deadroot nope not when its heacy meatal XD but hey the music players come with noise adjusters you dont have to listen
[10:18]<mnzmzjjv>what would be nice is that i am informed to expect an audio clip before going into the page
[10:20]<bnrcr>takes it she isnt going to get help with this sigh
[10:20]<mnzmzjjv>`html object @ Becka
[10:20]<rtfs>Becka, html object: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT
[10:20]<mrmfyfjv>Becka, use a download link for music, so people can choose to listen to it or not...
[10:20]<bnrcr>tthey can choose anyway
[10:21]<bnrcr>the browser displqays the browsers naturall music player they come with an option to adjust music to play to pause and to stop
[10:22]<bnrcr>you dont have to listen if you dont wnat two.....
[10:23]<bnrcr>plus its a midi rather thqan a full mp3 so its not like everyones getting the full dru,s and whatever that maybee in the song....
[10:23]<mnzmzjjv>there is the possibility that no one active at the moment knows how to do it..
[10:24]<mnzmzjjv>arghhhh i need to do some work >___<
[10:29]<bnrcr>http://www.world-voices.com/resources/addaud.html <--- the midi thing on that part is the thing i used wich doesnt seem to work
[10:34]<bnrcr>never mind fixed with http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/html-tutorial/music.htm
[11:27]<gjss>I hate clever editors.
[11:28]<gjss>Damn thing guesses i want this file in utf8 each time i save it.
[11:28]<gjss>just because it was that way once.
[11:30]<mnzmzjjv>and it doesn't provide for the option to switch?
[11:32]<gjss>Then I would use the feature, but do you know if Idea supports that?
[11:37]<mnzmzjjv>not a clue
[11:37]<mzryfnm>since when do crlf's in the source effect the rendered html?
[11:38]<mzryfnm>i have an unordered list and unless i have it all on one line (from <ul> to </ul>) the list starts 1 line break down from where it should
[11:39]<gjss>in all browsers?
[11:39]<mnzmzjjv>drailed: an example?
[11:39]<mzryfnm>noss: i'll just check
[11:40]<mzryfnm>noss: yep, in all browsers
[11:40]<mzryfnm>deadroot: i dont have it uploaded anywhere
[11:41]<mnzmzjjv>you could upload a sample to a pastebin
[11:41]<mzryfnm>ok will do
[11:43]<mzryfnm>deadroot: well the source that im gonna paste on pastebin wont do it
[11:43]<mzryfnm>so i guess that means its to do with a style somewhere
[11:44]<mzryfnm>as my style is in a separate file, not embedded in the html
[11:44]<gjzjuvn>I've got a bunch of text fields in a form. Is there a way to not have them sent via get if they are empty?
[11:46]<gjss>noroute: using js, but why bother?
[11:47]<gjzjuvn>if you're using "get" it messes up the url.
[11:47]<gjss>for who?
[11:47]<gjzjuvn>noss: But I can probably live with it. Was just curious if there was a way to do it...
[11:48]<gjss>I still dont understand the problem.
[11:48]<gjss>I need to understand it to know why you want to solve it this way.
[11:50]<gjzjuvn>noss: If you're using the "get" method the URL looks like "http://bar.foo/somecgi.cgi?foo=bar&anotherfoo=bar&somefoo=bar&furtherfoo=bar&...
[11:51]<lrsvn-yv>"drailed" at 220.237.82.250 pasted "Line break in the source causes change in position on page of list" (23 lines) at http://pastebin.bafserv.com/4047
[11:51]<gjss>continue
[11:51]<mzryfnm>deadroot: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/4047
[11:52]<mzryfnm>if you copy that html, preview it and then edit the source to make the ul all on one line (so backspace the second item in the list back up to the first) you'll see the whole list move up a bit
[11:52]<gjss>lang="eng" is wrong, i think. unrelated though.
[11:52]<mzryfnm>noss: ah rightio, cheers
[11:53]<mzryfnm>any ideas on why a crlf in the source would affect the position of an element (ul in this case) on the page?
[11:53]<gjss>because you made the list items inline.
[11:53]<mzryfnm>i see
[11:54]<gjss>i always put list-item: none on the UL as well.
[11:54]<mzryfnm>i didnt realise crlfs in the source ever affected the output html
[11:54]<mzryfnm>noss: ok ta
[11:54]<gjss>they are whitespace.
[11:54]<mzryfnm>anyway to have the crlf in the source not affect the output?
[11:54]<mzryfnm>yeah true
[11:54]<mzryfnm>i guess i'll just have to have it all on one line in the source
[11:55]<gjss>i float list items when i want them on a row, since IE has this whitespace annoyance.
[11:55]<mzryfnm>ff has it too
[11:56]<gjss>well, maybe it is some anonymous box that gets created.
[13:26]<jnrljus>where i can find free tamplates using css other than oswd
[13:27]<zjw>How do I stop a form adding spacing to my html, form tags are acting like a br tag?
[13:27]<zjw>ah style="margin:0px;" does it
[13:41]<gjss>put a * { margin: 0; padding: 0; } first in your css.
[13:41]<gjss>then add margins and paddings as you want them.
[13:41]<gjss>saves you lots of cross browser frustration
[13:44]<gjss>Nice stock market fall.
[13:48]<dzmzaivnz>Anyone know anything about hub.org?

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