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[00:03]<vzdfjz>-hi all
[00:04]<znysyj>+'lo vaylor
[00:04]<znysyj>+goodbye vaylor
[00:10]<znysyj>+!v http://reisio.com/temp/stretch/
[00:10]<rtfs>+HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://reisio.com/temp/stretch/
[00:10]<rtfs>+CSS: Not valid - Error: 1, Warning: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://reisio.com/temp/stretch/
[01:16]<zznw>-is target="_blank" valid xhtml?
[01:17]<znysyj>+target isn't (by default)
[01:17]<znysyj>+you can use transitional, though
[01:17]<zznw>-that's what i thought, thanks
[01:17]<zznw>-i'm sticking to strict :)
[01:17]<znysyj>+and you can use the target module
[01:17]<znysyj>+but I'm not sure that's really any better than using transitional
[01:18]<znysyj>+I guess it is way deep down philosophically
[01:18]<zznw>-got a nice valid site running, but needed to implement an external javascript with ugly html :<
[01:21]<rflxr>+the argument seems to be that it should be the users choice
[01:23]<rflxr>+so hacking up some javascript to deal with something you shouldn't be able to do using strict doctype just because it's still valid is a little pointless is it not?
[01:24]<znysyj>+depends
[01:24]<rflxr>+do tell
[01:25]<rflxr>+if you want to use features you cant use with strict html then use transitional, simple really.
[01:26]<znysyj>+that is probably what I would do
[01:27]<znysyj>+but using the target module for xhtml 1.1 would be fun
[01:28]<rflxr>+personally i think a better UI implementation of target="" would be to include some small graphic next to the link that, when clicked, opens a new window while the link itself loads in the current window
[01:30]<rflxr>+I would do that myself but its not standard so I think it would confuse users
[01:59]<dnznac>+how do i change the opacity of individual table cells?
[01:59]<dnznac>+or just the whole table
[01:59]<dnznac>+i guess
[02:01]<czysl|rv-xjdn>-Dereck it's a bad item
[02:01]<czysl|rv-xjdn>-yada yada - stop asking in two channels again
[02:01]<dnznac>+why?
[02:01]<dnznac>+if i thought the same people would be in both then i would't ask in both
[02:02]<czysl|rv-xjdn>-you've already been told it's a bad idea - why conitnue?
[02:02]<dnznac>+because I don't understand why it's a bad idea. you telling me doesn't tell me anything. I mean, if it works, then why the hell not use it?
[02:03]<czysl|rv-xjdn>-Dereck becaus eit's not semantically right
[02:03]<czysl|rv-xjdn>-and - at the end of the day - it's not goin to work cross browser
[02:08]<znysyj>+Dereck: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/#transparency
[02:08]<znysyj>+it _can_ be both, though, transparency
[02:08]<znysyj>+just a pita
[02:09]<mz-mznw>-live in the present, mcfly
[02:09]<mz-mznw>-design for modern day browsers
[02:10]<dnznac>+hey reisio, if i just use your code... and i delete the "#background img" what do i need to add to center the bg?
[02:10]<mz-mznw>-unless you're a teenager then study the future
[02:10]<mz-mznw>-that way when its time to enter the workforce you;re ahead of the game and we're all still refusing to learn new technologies
[02:10]<znysyj>+Dereck: html { background: url(image.png) no-repeat center center; }
[02:10]<znysyj>+and if you care about Opera you might need to play with some heights
[02:11]<gzznvxzdzds>+reisio: isn't one of those 'middle'?
[02:11]<znysyj>+...probably thinking of vertical-align
[02:11]<gzznvxzdzds>+hmm, k
[02:11]<gzznvxzdzds>+but I remember that 'center' by itself is also ok
[02:12]<znysyj>+that's what they say
[02:12]<znysyj>+ACTION is into explicitivityness
[02:17]<mz-mznw>-ACTION is into beastiality
[02:20]<znysyj>+it's 'bestiality'
[02:21]<mz-mznw>-i wonder why not beast
[02:21]<mz-mznw>-that seems more animalistic
[02:21]<mz-mznw>-but i guess animal sex is the best anyway
[02:22]<znysyj>+well it's from the Latin for 'beast'
[02:22]<znysyj>+bestia
[02:39]<mz-mznw>-what was thtat all about pumpkin
[02:43]<znysyj>+I explained mine before you were kicked, ask pi about his
[02:45]<mz-mznw>-he did it for the lov
[02:45]<mz-mznw>-e
[02:46]<mz-mznw>-i juts want to make sure you still live me
[02:46]<mz-mznw>-say it
[02:50]<znysyj>+I still live you :p
[02:51]<mz-mznw>-promise you'll never hurt me again
[03:52]<a2zyd2fn>-when using a table (lol) how do i align the text to the top? My left column is centered
[03:54]<mz-mznw>-http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/06/15/riya-20-on-the-way-major-strategy-shift/
[04:36]<sxzmjwzzvs>+http://shadowarts.shadowarts.org/gallery/ <- does anyone know why my footer is crammed on the right in this page?
[04:37]<znysyj>+!v http://shadowarts.shadowarts.org/gallery/
[04:37]<rtfs>+HTML: Not valid - Errors: 9, http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://shadowarts.shadowarts.org/gallery/
[04:37]<rtfs>+CSS: Not valid - Errors: 6, Warnings: 8, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://shadowarts.shadowarts.org/gallery/
[04:37]<znysyj>+mmm bot back :)
[04:38]<znysyj>+nothing big there - you should still fix it all, though
[04:38]<znysyj>+1min
[04:39]<sxzmjwzzvs>+yeah i was just kind of trying to get this to work and then get back to fixing my validation errors
[04:39]<sxzmjwzzvs>+(all i am missing on the html is the alt= which i wouldnt think would effect the look...)
[04:40]<znysyj>+shadowarts: #content { overflow: auto; }
[04:40]<znysyj>+`float contain @ shadowarts
[04:40]<rtfs>+shadowarts, float contain: www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html , www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html , www.complexspiral.com/publications/containing-floats/
[04:40]<znysyj>+well quite often validation errors are over problems that can cause rendering problems
[04:40]<znysyj>+just not this time :)
[04:45]<duzycs>+What's the most semantically correct way of making a topic list in a forum template?
[04:46]<mnzmzjjv>+yuriks: how about <ul> and <li>? :)
[04:47]<duzycs>+what about "Topic Poster", "Last Post" and "Topic Creation Date"? =/
[04:48]<mnzmzjjv>+i'd use a table. it is tabular data isn't it?
[04:48]<duzycs>+I guess
[04:49]<znysyj>+more like a dl
[04:49]<znysyj>+but using a table wouldn't be strictly wrong
[04:49]<duzycs>+dl?
[04:49]<duzycs>+`html dl
[04:49]<rtfs>+html dl: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#edef-DL
[04:50]<duzycs>+hm... looks nifty
[04:51]<znysyj>+it serves a purpose
[04:52]<duzycs>+but, how would I set it to show in a table like fashion?







