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[00:00]<sjfrc>I don't think it qualifies as "compact, yet clear".
[00:01]<svjgncdlxnz>you'd do well to not make four big empty rows like that
[00:01]<znysyj>well I don't speak nederlands
[00:01]<znysyj>so most of it is unclear to me :p
[00:01]<svjgncdlxnz>it wastes a ton of space, and eyeball time when they look to the right and find nothing
[00:01]<svjgncdlxnz>reisio: "dutch"
[00:01]<znysyj>StoneCypher: oh? Let's ask Solak
[00:02]<svjgncdlxnz>why? we're speaking english.
[00:02]<znysyj>Solak: what do you call the language on that page that's not English
[00:02]<svjgncdlxnz>it's kind of like I might say "German," but actual Germans will say "Deutsche"
[00:02]<svjgncdlxnz>In English, that language is called Dutch.
[00:02]<znysyj>deutsch
[00:02]<znysyj>your right
[00:02]<znysyj>I find localized names idiotic
[00:03]<svjgncdlxnz>It's the language of prostitution, fields of flowers, legal weed and wooden shoes.
[00:03]<znysyj>right, 'nederlands' :p
[00:03]<znysyj>Solak: you using Apache or something?
[00:04]<sdrpppjjv->apache rules
[00:04]<znysyj>there's a pretty simple way to send (for example) index_nl.html or index_en.html depending on what a user's browser says their language preferences are
[00:04]<sdrpppjjv->ya
[00:05]<sdrpppjjv->apache does that by default
[00:05]<sjfrc>reisio: it should be both Dutch and English...
[00:05]<znysyj>not that there's anything wrong with presenting all the data simultaneously
[00:05]<sjfrc>reisio: I don't know what xs4all runs, might be apache.
[00:05]<znysyj>:)
[00:07]<sjfrc>StoneCypher: no, that's what occupies so much space... would it validate the use of tables to orginize the different sections?
[00:07]<sjfrc>*organize
[00:08]<znysyj>!v http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/
[00:08]<rtfs>HTML: Valid - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/
[00:08]<rtfs>CSS: Valid - Warnings: 2, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/
[00:08]<svjgncdlxnz>ugh,
[00:08]<svjgncdlxnz>tables for layout
[00:09]<znysyj>Solak: (that's a no :p)
[00:09]<znysyj>Solak: I think it's fine
[00:10]<sjfrc>reisio: the page or using tables to organize the sections on the page? :)
[00:11]<znysyj>using tables would be wrong
[00:11]<znysyj>I think the page is fine as it is now
[00:13]<sjfrc>reisio: hmm, it would be nice to have a square instead of four blocks in a row.. StoneCypher is right, it occupies a lot of space this way.
[00:14]<sjfrc>when I "surf" on "the net" I see many sites which present a lot more info on one page and yet it looks clear.
[00:15]<svjgncdlxnz>when i "see" people misusing "quotes" it makes me "stabby"
[00:15]<svjgncdlxnz>anyway
[00:17]<svjgncdlxnz><html><head><style>.blockelem { display: inline; height: 12em; width: 15em; } .blockclear { clear: both; }</style></head><body><div class="blockelem">...</div><div class="blockelem blockclear">...</div><div class="blockelem">...</div><div class="blockelem blockclear">...</div><div class="blockelem">...</div><div class="blockelem blockclear">...</div></body></html>
[00:17]<svjgncdlxnz>that'
[00:17]<svjgncdlxnz>that'll get you the kind of flowing block design you're thinking over
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>there are other problems too
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>the boxes you're using are too saturated
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>they distract from the content
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>the background is too light; it doesn't do a good job of seperating the content
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>the margins are almost the same size as the borders
[00:22]<svjgncdlxnz>the padding is bigger than the margins plus the borders
[00:23]<svjgncdlxnz>padding isn't uniform on opposed edges
[00:23]<ynnfnmynnfnz>hello
[00:23]<ynnfnmynnfnz>how can I have a:hover apply only to text links and not images?
[00:24]<svjgncdlxnz>a.putithere:hover { ... } <a class="putithere">like this</a> and <a>not this</a>
[00:25]<ynnfnmynnfnz>how about if I only want to define that one image exception?
[00:26]<svjgncdlxnz>a:hover { background-color: red; } a.exception:hover { background-color: blue; } <a>it's here</a> but <a class="exception">not here</a>
[00:26]<svjgncdlxnz>a.exception:hover is more specific than a:hover
[00:26]<svjgncdlxnz>so it will override the former
[00:27]<ynnfnmynnfnz>the problem with my image is that it has a bottom margin
[00:27]<ynnfnmynnfnz>so I need to do something like background: unchanged (it's transparent)
[00:27]<ynnfnmynnfnz>would 'none' work?
[00:28]<svjgncdlxnz>how about background: transparent;
[00:28]<svjgncdlxnz>huhuhu
[00:29]<ynnfnmynnfnz>perfect. thanks
[00:29]<svjgncdlxnz>you should read the spec
[00:29]<svjgncdlxnz>you would increase your ninja skills
[00:29]<ynnfnmynnfnz>I did know that at some point
[00:29]<svjgncdlxnz>but, you don't now
[00:29]<ynnfnmynnfnz>will certainly brush up
[00:29]<svjgncdlxnz>so you should read the spec
[00:35]<sdrpppjjv->favicon should be a .ico or .png or something else?
[00:35]<znysyj>smallfoot-: doesn't _really_ matter
[00:36]<znysyj>if you want to be standardsy, use PNG
[00:36]<znysyj>1sec
[00:36]<znysyj>smallfoot-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon#Standardization
[00:37]<znysyj>but just putting an image file named 'favicon.ico' in your root directory is usually enough
[00:37]<znysyj>don't even have to link to it in your markup usually
[00:37]<sdrpppjjv->ok
[00:38]<sdrpppjjv->so <link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="/path/image.png" /> is the way to go
[00:38]<znysyj>that's the standardsy way, ya :)
[00:38]<znysyj>.png"> for HTML
[00:38]<sdrpppjjv->o
[00:38]<sdrpppjjv->then i use that
[00:39]<sdrpppjjv->and i wont use favicon.ico
[00:42]<sdrpppjjv->what dimension and color depht should it be?
[00:44]<gzznvxzdzds>the rest of the Wikipedia article has everything you could want to know about favicons
[00:49]<ynnfnmynnfnz>thanks
[00:54]<znysyj>smallfoot-: 16x16 px is good
[00:54]<znysyj>color depth probably won't matter
[00:55]<znysyj>but 8-bit is safe and probably best
[01:00]<sdrpppjjv->ya
[01:00]<sdrpppjjv->need have a transparent background on the image... but that difficult =/
[01:00]<znysyj>javascript
[01:11]<cy2>anyone know that web site that explains why css is better then using tables.
[01:11]<cy2>I think orginally seen it here. it was sotf of a slide show type web site
[01:11]<rflxr> c.weighty = 0.2;
[01:11]<rflxr> c.weightx = 0.2;
[01:12]<rflxr>mmm that was the right paste -.-
[01:12]<rflxr>ARGH firefox just doesnt C&P for me
