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[00:21]<svjzcc>how can i put something like... "hi 'lol'" (including quotes) into a value="" element?
[00:22]<fjjgrad>&quote; i think
[00:22]<fjjgrad>&quot; sorry.
[00:22]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>I don't think value does entities
[00:23]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>lemme think.... no... I think it deos
[00:23]<fjjgrad>I can't think of any other way you'd put them in.
[00:23]<cjddzgdlzjdlv> Storkk what's the element?
[00:24]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>a button, a text field?
[00:25]<fjjgrad>Stupid IE. Why does it not work how it should?
[00:26]<zqwvj>because of m$ :)
[00:26]<svjzcc>yeah value does entities.. it's a input="text"
[00:26]<zqwvj>btw, &quot; in value works
[00:26]<fjjgrad>I have a page that displays lots of data, goes off to the right. IE doesn't want to scroll to the right, though.. I even forced a scrollbar and everything. The scrollbar just sits there greyed out.
[00:27]<zqwvj>loonacy, url?
[00:28]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>.
[00:28]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>loonacy: how about opera or ff? do they show a scrolling text?
[00:29]<fjjgrad>Opera and FF and Konquerer all manage it fine. The issue is I'm using collapsable <ul>s, and when you exand them, IE doesn't realize that data has gone off the page.
[00:29]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>ohhh
[00:30]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>so,is a reflow thing
[00:31]<fjjgrad>Okay, I think i fixed it... I set it so if it's IE, it opens up completely expanded, then javascript goes in and collapses everything past a certain point.
[00:32]<fjjgrad>Oops, nope, it only scrolls to a certain point.
[00:32]<fjjgrad>I feel premature baldness coming on.
[01:06]<fjjgrad>Alright, i still haven't been able to figure this bit out: How would i, using divs, create a layout that was similar to a table, first column spanning 3 rows, and three cells in a column to the right of that.
[01:07]<fjjgrad>I've been trying to get this fauxcolumns thing working, but i must be missing something.
[01:25]<zqwvj>loonacy, use two divs, which split content verticaly, and one of them has 3 nested divs
[01:40]<fjjgrad>http://loonacy.insanitarium.org:88/test4.php One div float left, one div inline with 3 child divs. What am i doing wrong? (also, ideally, i would like the one div to be the same height as the 3 divs, whatever that may be)
[01:45]<fjjgrad>Okay, i put margin=auto and it seems aligned, i just can't get column 1 to be the same height as column 2.
[01:45]<fjjgrad>And it looks like crap in IE.
[01:55]<zqwvj>loonacy, you can't align one column height to another
[01:55]<zqwvj>to get similar effect, usually people set background for container box
[02:00]<svjzcc>is it possible to have a form button that goes to a different page?
[02:00]<eyaexj>Storkk: Um.. sure.
[02:00]<svjzcc>how?
[02:00]<fjjgrad>r21vo: Okay, guess I'll just stick with tables.
[02:01]<eyaexj>Storkk: Depending on what you set the form action to, just make a submit button.
[02:01]<svjzcc>ah..
[02:01]<svjzcc>is that the only way to do it?
[02:01]<zqwvj>javascript is an alternate way
[02:02]<zqwvj>loonacy, tables suck :)
[02:02]<fjjgrad>Yes, but at least with tables I can align things how i want them.
[02:02]<svjgncdlxnz>yeah
[02:02]<svjgncdlxnz>or with google
[02:03]<zqwvj>you can do the same in css, if you want
[02:03]<fjjgrad>How?
[02:03]<svjgncdlxnz>because it's not like height-fixed columns are the single most covered thing on css sites on the internet or anything
[02:03]<svjgncdlxnz>or you *surely* couldn't fake it with a background image
[02:03]<svjgncdlxnz>why that's madness
[02:03]<fjjgrad>Background image won't do.
[02:03]<svjgncdlxnz>neither will table
[02:04]<zqwvj>loonacy, why background image won't do?
[02:04]<fjjgrad>I don't want height fixed columns, i want height variable columns.
[02:04]<svjgncdlxnz>because he didn't think of it
[02:04]<svjgncdlxnz>okay
[02:04]<svjgncdlxnz>so why does that preclude a background image again?
[02:04]<fjjgrad>Because the if you have a border it doesn't go all the way down.
[02:04]<svjgncdlxnz>why would you border a picture
[02:05]<fjjgrad>There are no pictures.
[02:05]<svjgncdlxnz>there is with a background image
[02:05]<svjgncdlxnz>try to keep up here
[02:05]<zqwvj>loonacy, the container will go all the way down
[02:05]<zqwvj>so use border and background on container
[02:05]<zqwvj>and leave columns transparent
[02:06]<svjgncdlxnz>loonacy: you haven't yet given a convincing reason that a background image won't work.
[02:06]<fjjgrad>http://loonacy.insanitarium.org:88/test3.php The right boxes have borders that only go so far down.
[02:06]<svjgncdlxnz>so?
[02:07]<fjjgrad>So I want the border to go all the way down.
[02:07]<svjgncdlxnz>what does that have to do with why a background image won't work?
[02:07]<fjjgrad>So how do i get a background image to work? That was taken straight from the fauxcolumns page someone showed me.
[02:07]<svjgncdlxnz>no, that's not how this goes
[02:07]<svjgncdlxnz>i ask you a question
[02:07]<svjgncdlxnz>and instead of asking me a different, stupider question
[02:07]<svjgncdlxnz>you're supposed to answer
[02:08]<fjjgrad>So if I use a background image somehow it will make the border reach all the way to the bottom?
[02:08]<svjgncdlxnz>god you're dim
[02:08]<svjgncdlxnz>let's try this again
[02:08]<svjgncdlxnz>[16:03] <StoneCypher> why would you border a picture
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>try answering that instead of ignoring it this time
[02:09]<fjjgrad>I'm not using pictures.
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>dude
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>i'm losing patience.
[02:09]<fjjgrad>So your question is irrelavent.
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>no, it isn't.
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>the background image *IS* *A* *PICTURE* .
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>i will try this one last time
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>and if you insist on being stupid and refusing to keep a scenario you don't understand in your head
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>i'll just let you drift.
[02:09]<svjgncdlxnz>this is your last shot at help, so quit being a dick.
[02:10]<svjgncdlxnz>if you are using a background image to fake columns
[02:10]<svjgncdlxnz>then why do you need borders at all?
[02:10]<svjgncdlxnz>hint: you *don't*
[02:10]<fjjgrad>Here, look at this: http://loonacy.insanitarium.org:88/test2.php the data at the bottom is what I'm trying to get. Without the borders, it's very very very easy to get lost in there.
[02:10]<svjgncdlxnz>you lose.
[02:10]<svjgncdlxnz>goodbye.
[02:11]<svjgncdlxnz>(some people are just amazingly dumb.)
[02:11]<fjjgrad>If i only use images, all i have is a bunch of floating text.
[02:11]<svjgncdlxnz>"omg if i have an image and i need a line next to it, THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO IT IS TO USE A BORDER"
[02:11]<svjgncdlxnz>"what do you mean, put a line on the background image? that's preposterous!"
[02:11]<svjgncdlxnz>"why lines don't work on images at all, ever, no matter what"
[02:12]<fjjgrad>Well how do i get the background image to make the div stretch to its max constraints?

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