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[00:00]<znysyj>well it's invalid
[00:00]<znysyj>but...
[00:00]<znysyj>in HTML, you don't actually have to have a <head> or <body>
[00:00]<rflxr>nyk2005, what is your motivation for doing so?
[00:00]<znysyj>so it doesn't _really_ matter
[00:07]<gdcq00t>Alpha: because I want to include some CSS style only for pages with forms on it in my zope CMS.
[00:08]<znysyj>nyk2005: eh?
[00:09]<gdcq00t>why not?
[00:10]<gdcq00t>I mean firefox and opera can handle it.... Is there a chance some other broser mightn't?
[00:10]<gzznvxzdzds>nyk2005: you can use METAL to create a slot in your <head> where you can put extra style elements if you need it
[00:10]<znysyj>...or you can just apply a frikkin' class or id to something
[00:10]<znysyj>ge
[00:10]<znysyj>bus
[00:10]<znysyj>!
[00:10]<gdcq00t>METAL?
[00:11]<gzznvxzdzds>nyk2005: you know about TAL and METAL?
[00:11]<gzznvxzdzds>vital knowledge for any zope development
[00:11]<gdcq00t>yeah I could just include it everwhere, it's just 4k anyway...
[00:12]<gdcq00t>GarethAdams: no...
[00:12]<gzznvxzdzds>http://www.plope.com/Books/2_7Edition/ZPT.stx
[00:12]<gdcq00t>thanks!
[00:13]<gzznvxzdzds>it's a little complicated at first, but very very powerful
[00:13]<gzznvxzdzds>ask in #zope if you need help understanding
[00:13]<gdcq00t>ok, I try..
[00:16]<prfnj>Hi. I would like to know how I could make the whole area of a <div> as a hyperlink. Wrapping the div around <a></a> doesn't work in firefox.
[00:20]<znysyj>Paleo: just set display: block; on an 'a'
[00:21]<znysyj>and set dimensions on it, too, if you like
[00:24]<prfnj>and remove my container div ?
[00:25]<prfnj>oh nice, now it's broken in IE... gotta love webdev
[00:27]<mzwcyzsv>hi
[00:27]<mzwcyzsv>a quick enquiry: is it worth my while to learn HTML frames?
[00:29]<mzwcyzsv>anyone?
[00:33]<dja|xjdn>yes, if only to know why not to use them :)
[00:33]<mzwcyzsv>allright, ty
[00:34]<zsxazjpv>using tables for layout, yeah yeah yeah, flash and javascript for navigation, ha ha ha!
[00:36]<dja|xjdn>using tables for layout, no no no, flash and javascript for navigation, is fine if there's a less crap alternative also available
[00:38]<znysyj>dawkirst: there's not much to learn :p
[00:39]<znysyj>put the tag in the source, there you go
[00:40]<mzwcyzsv>reisio, true :p
[00:48]<znzjs>`pnghack
[00:48]<znzjs>`png hack
[00:48]<znzjs>`ie pnghack
[00:48]<znzjs>:|
[00:48]<znzjs>b0at, :( where's RTFS?
[00:51]<eyaexj>Nooooooo!!!!!!
[00:53]<rrmmggugy>hello
[00:54]<rrmmggugy>i am having an issue with mailto
[00:54]<rrmmggugy>is there a limit to how many emails you can send to?
[00:54]<rrmmggugy>if i try to send this to a large number, 30+ nothing happens
[00:55]<znysyj>Zeros: he and b0at are having butt sex :p
[00:56]<znzjs>:d
[01:32]<z1d>what is the tag to have a little black circle for listing item please
[01:33]<znysyj>r3m: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#propdef-list-style-type
[01:33]<z1d>thanks !
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[01:50]<guffnm>why are my tables scewed up in IE
[01:50]<guffnm>but not opera, or firefox
[01:50]<znysyj>nulled: what's your doctype declaration?
[01:51]<eyaexj>nulled: Can I see a URL?
[01:52]<eyaexj>And maybe quirks mode, or one of IE's "other" quirks.
[01:52]<guffnm>its just standard
[01:52]<znysyj>nulled: paste it
[01:52]<eyaexj>Which one? There are many possible DOCTYPEs.
[01:52]<guffnm>I don't have a doctype declaration
[01:52]<znysyj>then that's not standard :p
[01:52]<eyaexj>Oh-- that would put IE in quirks mode..
[01:52]<eyaexj>`doctype html
[01:52]<znysyj>nulled: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
[01:53]<eyaexj>Darn!
[01:53]<znysyj>nulled: goes before <html>
[01:53]<eyaexj>RTFS isn't here...
[01:53]<guffnm>when did we have to start doing this
[01:53]<znysyj>riczho: ya :/
[01:53]<z1d>is this a webpage editor free on windows
[01:53]<guffnm>no
[01:53]<eyaexj>nulled: It's always been in the specs.
[01:53]<guffnm>i do my html by hand
[01:53]<guffnm>for years
[01:53]<guffnm>never did a declaration once
[01:53]<guffnm>everything was fine till now
[01:54]<znysyj>nulled: that's nice
[01:54]<eyaexj>Anybody know the specifics on Firefox's standards/quirks modes?
[01:54]<znysyj>I can find them if you need
[01:54]<znysyj>but you don't need :p
[01:54]<guffnm>alright
[01:54]<eyaexj>True... I'll look it up at some point.
[01:54]<guffnm>now it is messed up
[01:54]<guffnm>in opera
[01:55]<guffnm>and IE
[01:55]<eyaexj>Can we see a URL?
[01:55]<guffnm>and firefox
[01:55]<eyaexj>Ouch.
[01:55]<guffnm>no this is a design for a client
[01:55]<guffnm>its not on the web
[01:55]<znysyj>riczho: bookmarks to the rescue: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mozilla%27s_Quirks_Mode
[01:55]<eyaexj>Aha, thanks!
[01:56]<znysyj>this one's good, too:
[01:56]<znysyj>http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mozilla%27s_DOCTYPE_sniffing
[01:56]<guffnm>okay i took out the declaration
[01:56]<guffnm>and now firefox
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