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[00:00]<prfnj>is there a way to make a onkeypress happen AFTER the changes are made in a text input ?
[00:00]<prfnj>so if I call value, I'll get the value after the keypress, not before
[00:00]<znysyj>don't be silly, software is about limitations
[00:01]<znysyj>you think modern software got where it is today by just doing whatever it liked? no
[00:01]<prfnj>lol
[01:23]<sypvnzpjw>I'm setting up a photography website, and have some photos that are at a soccer game. Do I need written permission from all of the parents of children in the images?
[01:24]<sypvnzpjw>I'm not sure what US law is, and am having trouble googling the topic.
[01:24]<znysyj>um
[01:24]<znysyj>only if you think 1) they'll see them and 2) they'll not like it and 3) they'll be able to find out who you are
[01:25]<sypvnzpjw>heh... Well, they could certainly find out who I am, but I (as a parent) wouldn't be concerned about these photos
[01:25]<sypvnzpjw>You never know what folks will be bent about these days though.
[01:26]<sypvnzpjw>There is nothing identifying in the photos (other than association with other children that aren't identified)
[01:32]<luld>hello
[01:33]<znysyj>'lo
[01:33]<luld>after I've appled xhtml1-frameset validation, my frames doesn't stick together, does anyonw know why? I don't seem to catch it
[01:33]<znysyj>stick together?
[01:33]<znysyj>there's a border, y'mean?
[01:33]<luld>no, just a spaces I cannot get rid of
[01:33]<wjjsvr>silverfox: ask a lawyer .. but my bet would be that they're in public. However it might be polite to let the clubs know that you're posting them
[01:33]<luld>between the frames
[01:34]<znysyj>pupy: link
[01:34]<luld>ok
[01:34]<luld>http://acptsys.sourceforge.net/
[01:35]<luld>the validator is not for the index, is this
[01:35]<luld>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://acptsys.sourceforge.net/&charset=iso-8859-1&doctype=XHTML+1.\
[01:35]<luld>0+Frameset&verbose=1
[01:35]<luld>uy
[01:36]<luld>http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Facptsys.sourceforge.net%2F&charset=iso-8859-1&doctype=XHTML+1.0+Frameset&verbose=1
[01:36]<sypvnzpjw>Woosta, fair enough. thanks.
[01:37]<luld>actually, I've been adding boder="0" just trying to put them together, although the validator doesn't seem to complain now, even when is not on the original dtd
[01:44]<luld>any idea reisio ?
[01:46]<znysyj>1min
[01:46]<luld>ok
[01:57]<znysyj>pupy: sorry stupid crap interrupeted me, looking at it now
[01:58]<luld>thanks, no problems, I've tried framespacing="0", and other things I've seen on google
[01:58]<luld>but doesn't work
[02:04]<znysyj>oh rofl 1min
[02:09]<nylljj>If tables aren't for layout, what are they for?
[02:09]<znysyj>table data
[02:10]<nylljj>it's so much easier to code layout using tables... what's the advantage in using CSS?
[02:11]<znysyj>it's not so much easier
[02:11]<znysyj>CSS is easier
[02:11]<znysyj>pupy: okay, well, why are you using frames?
[02:11]<luld>cose i want to keep menu and submenu separated from page contents
[02:12]<luld>I'm also using xml and xlst, and would like to be able to use the submenu for navigation incons and stuff
[02:12]<luld>the submenu is under the tabs, but you can't see it there now
[02:13]<znysyj>pupy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Side_Includes is a better option
[02:13]<luld>am, let me read, thanks
[02:21]<znysyj>pupy: simpler if you have Perl or Python or PHP or something running
[02:21]<luld>yes i've got php and cgis
[02:22]<luld>I'm looking at sourceforge docs to see whether i'm allowed to use ssi, looks interesting
[02:22]<luld>yes I am
[02:22]<sullrdrg>do I need to use double quote when setting a tag's attribute ?
[02:22]<sullrdrg>like name="myname"
[02:23]<sullrdrg>can I use name=myname ?
[02:23]<gzznvxzdzds>suppaman: always best to use quotes
[02:24]<gzznvxzdzds>but you only need them when you have special characters, like spaces, in the value
[02:24]<wjjsvr>always best .. and *required* for valid xhtml once that's finally useful
[02:24]<sullrdrg>so that's required
[02:25]<sullrdrg>I ask because I'm used double quoted php string and I have to escape double quotes
[02:25]<wjjsvr>Yes, PHP sucks
[02:25]<gzznvxzdzds>forever and ever amen
[02:27]<sullrdrg>but it is useful
[02:28]<znysyj>pupy: PHP would be simple, then, do a search for 'php includes howto'
[02:28]<wjjsvr>If you used perl, you'd find that you can use any character for a quote that you want .. print q|This has "quotes" and 'quotes'|; print q%This has "quotes" and 'quotes' and a |%;
[02:28]<znysyj>pupy: and if you really want to use the frames (I advise against it), use iframes with a transitional doctype, or use 'object' elements
[02:28]<luld>aha, thanks
[02:29]<brssnvvs>anyone know a place i can get a good contact form script??
[02:29]<luld>but you mean to mix php and ssi reisio ?
[02:29]<znysyj>it seems the Gecko devs have been assholes for like 5 years and won't fix this bug
[02:29]<znysyj>pupy: no pick one :)
[02:29]<luld>ah, ok
[02:29]<znysyj>pupy: PHP includes are just a little more flexible than plain Apache SSI is all
[02:29]<luld>aha, I see
[02:29]<znysyj>Bassetts: phpformgen.sf.net if you are cool with PHP (eww :p)
[02:30]<brssnvvs>thanks
[02:38]<sullrdrg>bye
[03:02]<gudscuf>trying to use a script in my html page http://pastebin.ca/79142 however its not loading
[03:48]<zdrgrrrr>ok, I made a html table... is there a way to make it display ascii? kindof like the one above this: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.1
[03:59]<vxn-mznw>ryanakca: you must first cast your eyes on the ocean, and cast your soul to the sea
[04:00]<zdrgrrrr>ummm... that was very... inspirational...
[04:00]<zdrgrrrr>ty
[04:00]<zdrgrrrr>but, I'll keep my soul to myself...
[04:00]<vxn-mznw>but i love you
[05:58]<cmmn>I need to make a simple site ... just a couple of pages, all static content, with a nice little drop-down menu bar at the top for a single level page categorization. Is there any quick way to do this rather than doing it all by hand with HTML and CSS? I don't want to re-invent any wheels ..
[06:00]<mnzmzjjv>use a CMS?
[06:01]<cmmn>deadroot: Sorry, I don't know what that means?
[06:01]<mnzmzjjv>Content Management Software, i think
[06:02]<mnzmzjjv>they do a lot of the work for you
[06:02]<cmmn>deadroot: Are any of them free/open source? I'm not looking to spend any money. Can you give me some examples of CMS?
[06:03]<wjjsvr>joomla
[06:03]<wjjsvr>(mambo)
[06:03]<wjjsvr>opensourcecms
[06:03]<wjjsvr>There's a ton (search for CMS on freshmeat.net)
[06:03]<cmmn>Cool
[06:04]<cmmn>I remember awhile ago Digg linked to a big CSS examples repository ... anyone remember that site, or something like it? I recall browsing it a little bit and finding some very useful stuff, including drop-down menus, but alas, I bookmarked it at work.
[06:04]<wjjsvr>We all tend to be authors rather than users of other people's stuff ..
[06:04]<wjjsvr>Maybe #web might be a better place to ask
[06:06]<20rv>`menus

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