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[00:16]<vnxsvnv>odd issue - when i refresh a page with a form in firefox, the radio buttons change values (often going to the next value). anyone ever see something like this before?
[00:16]<znysyj>nope
[00:17]<vnxsvnv>:(
[00:17]<znysyj>tehstev: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=25 & http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
[00:17]<vnxsvnv>reisio: i've been googling every way i could think of and found nothin so far, but i'll check those out
[00:20]<vnrf>i have a site with frames and i would like the main url to be changed if a user clicks on a link inside some framecontent
[00:20]<vnrf>is this possible?
[00:20]<vnrf>i guess i could do this with some javascripting but would prefer the html way
[00:21]<20rv>That's what XFrames does, which has no real support
[00:21]<20rv>The best solution is to not use frames.
[00:21]<20rv>`include
[00:21]<rtfs>include: http://web.archive.org/web/20040628164142/http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another
[00:21]<20rv>`include # more recent uri
[00:21]<rtfs>include: http://www.allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another
[00:22]<vnrf>i would love to not use frames :) but i'm kinda forced to do so.. or is there any other way to get some content scrollable?
[00:22]<20rv>Uh
[00:22]<20rv>overflow: auto;?
[00:23]<vannnw>can you guys help me with this? I'm trying to get a div put at the bottom of the page, but it seems no matter how I attempt it, it gets placed just a bit too far down, and I end up with a scroll on the side
[00:23]<vannnw>right now i'm using <div style="position:absolute;bottom:0;width:100%;height=90;">
[00:23]<20rv>tj9991: "height=90" is not valid CSS. Remove all margin and padding from body.
[00:24]<vannnw>body doesnt have any margins/paddings set
[00:24]<vnrf>thx b0at
[00:24]<vnrf>tj9991, doesn't mean they aren't there ;)
[00:24]<20rv>tj9991: Then you need to set them. They are not zero by default.
[00:25]<vannnw>hmm
[00:25]<vannnw><body marginheight="0" marginwidth="0">
[00:25]<vannnw>right?
[00:26]<20rv>No.
[00:26]<20rv>body { margin: 0; padding: 0; }
[00:26]<20rv>In your CSS
[00:30]<vannnw>that fixed it, thanks
[00:31]<vnxsvnv><body style='...'> ;)
[00:41]<sajnzm_>any font specialists available?
[00:47]<znysyj>Sjoerd_: I use them sometimes, whta's up
[00:50]<fzzaj>can anyoen give me a link or something on how to use the language setting in html ? so users can see the page in their lang that was setuped in the browser ?
[00:51]<znysyj>larco: the 'lang' attribute?
[00:51]<fzzaj>hmm.. as i see i think it's actualy an apache feature and not html
[00:51]<znysyj>ya
[00:51]<znysyj>talk to #apache
[00:52]<znysyj>usually you just use index.en.html, iirc
[00:52]<znysyj>or index.fr.html, etc.
[01:42]<z00svnz>hello
[01:43]<z00svnz>If i have <input name="file_path" type="file" /> on a form with a method="POST", how can I gather the path from this input on the next page?
[01:43]<znysyj>ask #web
[02:31]<znysyj>b0at: gj :p
[02:47]<mnznc_>Hi
[02:47]<mnznc_>Any good lightweight imageviewer?
[02:48]<znysyj>derek_: os/wm/de?
[02:51]<mnznc_>winxp
[02:51]<mnznc_>what's de?
[02:51]<znysyj>Windows XP comes with an image viewer
[02:51]<mnznc_>it does
[02:52]<znysyj>it does
[02:53]<wjjsvr>it does
[02:56]<znysyj>de is for desktop environment
[02:56]<znysyj>Windows' desktop environment is tied to the OS, so you don't really have the option of using another :p
[02:59]<lyly>could anybody give me a hint on how i can make a div that doesn't cause a page break?
[03:00]<wjjsvr>What's a page-break?
[03:00]<lyly>line-break i guess it would be called, sorry.
[03:00]<lyly>something similar to a <br />
[03:04]<znysyj>`css page-break-before
[03:04]<rtfs>css page-break-before: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/page.html#propdef-page-break-before
[03:04]<znysyj>`css page-break-after
[03:04]<rtfs>css page-break-after: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/page.html#propdef-page-break-after
[03:06]<lyly>thanks
[03:07]<lyly>hrmm..
[03:07]<lyly>ok, bit confusing...
[03:08]<lyly>where does this style property get placed in?
[03:08]<lyly>the div?
[03:10]<lyly>dont make no sense
[03:11]<zgsv>frame tags are not longer recommend right?
[03:11]<znysyj>rnst: correcto
[03:11]<zgsv>resio: pero es valid?
[03:11]<znysyj>pipi: like div { page-break-before: value; }
[03:12]<lyly>did that
[03:12]<znysyj>rnst: sure, given the proper doctype declaration
[03:12]<lyly>then when there was <div id="blah"></div><div id="blah"></div>
[03:12]<lyly>it caused a page break after the first and before the second
[03:12]<znysyj>what did?
[03:12]<lyly>#menu { page-break-before: avoid; page-break-after: avoid; }
[03:13]<lyly><div id="menu"><img src="blah.gif"></div><div id="menu">....</div>
[03:13]<zgsv>resio: html 4.01 still validate?
[03:13]<lyly>between the two div's it caused a page break
[03:13]<zgsv>xhtml 1.0 dont validte?
[03:13]<znysyj>rnst: for frames?
[03:13]<znysyj>rnst: you have to use a frameset doctype for frame's, or a transitional doctype for iframe's
[03:14]<znysyj>`doctype @ rnst
[03:14]<rtfs>rnst, doctype: Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available at http://webstandards.org/learn/reference/charts/doctype-switch/ (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended). A more complete list: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html
[03:16]<lyly>OK im going to go nuts
[03:16]<lyly>im sure theres a simple solution to cause no page-break's with <div's
[03:16]<zgsv>reisio:thanx, damn i spell wrong your nick
[03:16]<zgsv>upthere
[03:19]<znysyj>'s'no big deal :p
[03:22]<wwjww> how do i make an .html file trigger a download when clicked upon, rather being displayed by the browser?
[03:23]<wwjww>which headers? anybody recall off top of head?
[03:23]<wwjww>i mean off hand
[03:23]<znysyj>ask #web
[03:23]<mz-mznw>change the fiel headers
[03:23]<mz-mznw>i mean
[03:23]<mz-mznw>the http headers
