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[01:32]<gnam>document.URL="http://www.yahoo.com" doesn't work in my javascript/xhtml 1.1 page... why=
[01:32]<gnam>?
[01:33]<eyaexj>XHTML 1.1?
[01:33]<gnam>auau
[01:33]<eyaexj>Search for document.URL on google and see the second link.
[01:37]<znysyj>GNAM: this page work in IE?
[01:37]<gnam>window.location.href work
[01:37]<gnam>s
[01:38]<znysyj>right...
[02:09]<gzznvxzdzds>document.location.href, shirley?
[02:09]<gzznvxzdzds>or am I gtting it the wrong way around
[02:27]<znzjs>hmm
[02:28]<znzjs>if document.location is part of the DOM Lv0 then whats the standard method that the w3c proposes? :\
[03:46]<zgsv>reisio: can you pass me the info about the doctypes again?
[03:47]<znysyj>like, this?
[03:47]<znysyj>`doctype
[03:47]<rtfs>doctype: Take a gander at the fine document type definitions available at http://webstandards.org/learn/reference/charts/doctype-switch/ (HTML 4.01 Strict is recommended). A more complete list: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html
[03:47]<znysyj>oh ya
[03:47]<znysyj>frameset doctype for frames, or transitional for iframes
[03:47]<znysyj>you can use 'object' in strict
[03:47]<zgsv>;)
[03:47]<zgsv>thanx
[04:01]<lzyud>is there any way to keep an image within a table maximize to the size of the table, but keep it's ratio? IE, height or width should be 100%, but only whichever is higher ratio-wise
[04:02]<znysyj>its*
[04:02]<znysyj>you can set height: 100%;, or width: 100%; or both
[04:02]<znysyj>it's unlikely you're using tables appropriately, however
[04:06]<lzyud>reisio: nah i'm really not :)
[04:06]<znysyj>:p
[04:43]<vyzusdjvnev>this sucks
[04:43]<vyzusdjvnev>:'(
[04:44]<vyzusdjvnev>im redo a new layout and i can't find no inspiration or ideas to do anything good to make a layout :( all the ones i seen suck
[04:45]<mnzmzjjv>start with water
[04:45]<vyzusdjvnev>?
[04:45]<mnzmzjjv>you wanted an inspiration, no?
[04:45]<azjg>is it possible to hide text on a page till a link is clicked using nothing but xhtml 1.1?
[04:46]<vyzusdjvnev>yes i do
[04:46]<azjg>no javascript either...
[04:46]<mnzmzjjv>jron: you do realise that true XHTML 1.1 won't render in IE6 or IE7?
[04:46]<azjg>hmm okey, xhtml 1.0strict? ;P
[04:46]<mnzmzjjv>VirusDotNET: how about water for an inspiration?
[04:46]<vyzusdjvnev>i want to do things like pipes, gloss, animation kinda thing without flash
[04:47]<vyzusdjvnev>deadroot, im not catching ur drift
[04:47]<vyzusdjvnev>sorry
[04:47]<znzjs>jron, sort of, you can use the :active pseudo class to hide things until the person clicks it, but its a temporary state in most browsers
[04:48]<azjg>hmm, i'll look in that Zeros
[04:48]<znzjs>I guess the real answer is no, you're going to need to use JS to hide/display something on the page in response to a click
[04:48]<znzjs>at least reliably
[04:48]<mnzmzjjv>VirusDotNET: inspiration is a fickle thing and creativity isn't always easy to grasp. with water, there's rain, waterfalls, rivers, oceans... how you translate that into a page design is up to you, or perhaps you'll think of something else when thinking about water
[04:49]<znzjs>you speak of water deadroot, and he doesn't catch your drift hahaha
[04:49]<znzjs>:P
[04:50]<vyzusdjvnev>oh i think what ur trying to say is. with what your trying to say is with inspiration. like you talking about water. make it into something similar but unique. its hard but its worth it with everything you give into it?
[04:50]<vyzusdjvnev>right?
[04:51]<vyzusdjvnev>well when i tried it before i find one i like but in the end i just copied it >.<
[04:51]<mnzmzjjv>it's up to you. like i said, inspiration thing is a fickle thing
[04:52]<vyzusdjvnev>thats whats so hard about web design is trying to make a layout that is totally unique and different from the others
[04:54]<mnzmzjjv>because you're playing on a level field where every other designer can play equally well? that's the true free market :)
[04:55]<mnzmzjjv>or a close approximation
[04:55]<znzjs>VirusDotNET, don't make it too unique, its one thing to make it stand out, its another to break so many usability conventions to make it unique that you hurt usability
[04:55]<azjg>welp, looks like im gona have to go with javascript to show/hide text, anyone have a snip somewhere of a ultra compatible one?
[05:08]<vxn2dw-2jd>I saw a website somewhere that had 4 or so browsers that you could use to test your website with for free...
[05:08]<vxn2dw-2jd>It was like iCapture, but with more browsers
[05:09]<znysyj>thebmw-boy: browsershots.org
[05:09]<vxn2dw-2jd>Thanks
[05:10]<vxn2dw-2jd>Unluckily that site is down, I guess I'll wait.
[05:11]<znysyj>thebmw-boy: what's your OS?
[05:11]<vxn2dw-2jd>W1ndows dual booting Kubuntu
[05:11]<znysyj>k, well in Kubuntu you can run multiple versions of IE, you can run Firefox, Konqueror, Opera
[05:12]<znysyj>and you can use icapture for safari
[05:12]<znysyj>Safari is the tricky one
[05:12]<znysyj>that and IE5 Mac, which most people don't bother with anymore
[05:15]<znysyj>`css height @ MauL^
[05:15]<rtfs>MauL^, css height: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-height
[05:21]<znysyj>try it and see
[05:22]<znysyj>IE doesn't support max-height, just fyi
[05:26]<eyaexj>`css max-height
[05:26]<rtfs>css max-height: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visudet.html#propdef-max-height
[05:34]<dugeyz>Hi, how can I set the height of a table row?
[06:07]<prfnj>is there a way to make a fixed-width table, that will NEVER resize? even if the content of a cell is too long to fit...
[07:13]<ajdffnwdvd>Hi, my google page rank has recently went to 0, and i'm trying to use this prediction tool, and it can't determine my future rank. But it can for any other site I try. Any ideas?
[07:14]<znysyj>complexity: ya, stop what you're doing
[07:15]<ajdffnwdvd>reisio: ???
[07:16]<ajdffnwdvd>reisio: Yes. I care about google page rank, that wasn't the question :)
[07:16]<znysyj>you can't make Google put your page up
[07:18]<ajdffnwdvd>uh
[07:21]<ajdffnwdvd>If a page has a pr of 0 its usually as a penatly actually
[07:21]<ajdffnwdvd>*penantly*
[07:22]<mnzmzjjv>'penalty'
[07:22]<ajdffnwdvd>thanks
[07:24]<mnzmzjjv>it may be nice if google assigns that same penalty for non-validating pages ;)
[07:31]<znysyj>deadroot: they'd have to delist their own pages :p
[07:34]<mnzmzjjv>;)
[07:37]<znysyj>"fucking me off", heh
[07:39]<mnzmzjjv>complexity: i recall of one guy who had his forums losing the rank because somehow a HTTP 404 header was added to his templates
[07:39]<mnzmzjjv>it was some mouse pet forum, iirc
[07:40]<znysyj>rofl? :p
[07:42]<rdrg__>I'm having a problem with XHTML and CSS.
[07:43]<lyzrvnxnrm>If I use no doctype declaration, FireFox 2.0 RC 2 displays it just fine.
[07:43]<mnzmzjjv>does it validate?

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