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[00:40]<zyzwzvn>hey, I'm trying to make one tablerow look like 2 tables...Basically I have something like this: <tr><td>Col1</td><td>Col2</td><div class="extraInfo">Extra Row</div></tr> ... but I want to style the div so it goes on the next row and takes up all the table space (almost like having a second tr with a td colspan of 7) ... any ideas on how to style 'extraInfo' in order to do this?
[00:41]<zyzwzvn>look like 2 table rows**
[00:41]<znysyj>(being addressed in #css)
[00:54]<nuzncr>I have a list, how do I force it to display horizontally
[02:43]<dzvnaxrud>how can i make a checkbox send a or b depending on its state to a PHP script via GET - i have the form all done
[02:44]<eyaexj>I don't think you can do that without javascript.
[02:44]<eyaexj>`html input
[02:44]<rtfs>html input: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-INPUT
[02:44]<dzvnaxrud>but should it send either true or false and not just "on"
[02:45]<eyaexj>You can make it send a value when it's checked and no value otherwise.
[02:45]<dzvnaxrud>so there is not force a "false"
[02:48]<eyaexj>Nope.
[02:51]<zr2nfmr2fn>anyone know of good software for log analysis? I'm trying to find something to help with ad campaigns and user flow
[03:30]<nnjsrmysv>anyone know what the "best" way to make common html code more dynamic is? i.e. i have a website (www.puresimplicity.net/~neosadist) and the common code is the side bar and top bar. the stuff is repeated on every page, and on top of that, if i wanted to add a new sidebar item like a web button, i have to cut and paste like 50 times lol
[03:30]<nnjsrmysv>i'm currently reading how html 4.01 strict is supposed to do it, but i wanted advice too
[03:48]<eyaexj>`include @ NeoSadist
[03:48]<rtfs>NeoSadist, include: http://www.allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another
[03:54]<nnjsrmysv>riczho, thanx
[04:24]<cpu_fan>what's the tag for muting Right Guard commercials
[07:14]<vyzusdjvnev>hey i got a question. Is it possible to dynamically load a custom font on ur server?
[07:14]<znysyj>on a web page?
[07:14]<vyzusdjvnev>yessum
[07:15]<vyzusdjvnev>in xhtml 1.0?
[07:15]<znysyj>well, not exactly
[07:15]<znysyj>IE has a proprietary implementation in .eot files
[07:15]<znysyj>which is one of its security risks :p
[07:15]<znysyj>Netscape _used_ to have one in .pfr files
[07:15]<znysyj>you can always use scripting to generate images of text
[07:15]<znysyj>and there are some really stupid javascript/Flash ways around nowadays
[07:16]<vyzusdjvnev>i thought u could hmmcausei remember a while back when i first learn computers and tried web design you did unless im off
[07:16]<znysyj>I'm waiting for CSS3 support, which has provisions for dynamic fonts
[07:16]<vyzusdjvnev>provisions?
[07:16]<znysyj>2 something supplied or provided.
[07:16]<znysyj>http://w3.org/TR/css3-webfonts/
[07:17]<znysyj>but nobody supports it yet
[07:17]<znysyj>(last I checked)
[07:17]<vyzusdjvnev>if CCS3 already been written why hasn't it been used?
[07:18]<znysyj>because it's large, and there is much work involved
[07:18]<znysyj>atm modern browsers like Firefox and Opera are finishing with CSS 2.1 and moving onto CSS3
[07:18]<znysyj>Internet Explorer is still stuck somewhere in CSS 2
[07:18]<znysyj>also it's marked as a 'working draft'
[07:19]<znysyj>which means they haven't finished drafting the specification
[07:19]<znysyj>which means it's possible any implementations created _now_ may become incompatible with the final specification
[07:19]<znysyj>which would be a waste of time for someone
[07:19]<znysyj>but the #1 reason is always going to be that nobody has bothered to yet
[07:20]<vyzusdjvnev>ah
[07:21]<znysyj>and there's a possibility that if most browsers go through CSS3 support and ignore web fonts, that they'll scrap it and move it to CSS4 or something, if there is such a thing
[07:21]<znysyj>I don't think that'll happen, though
[07:22]<znysyj>it'll probably be a long while, but it'll get done :)
[07:22]<vyzusdjvnev>i hope it gets done with a year or 2
[07:23]<vyzusdjvnev>ie is in b3 stage so hopefully ie7 will support it before it gets finished ;)
[07:23]<vyzusdjvnev>but i doubt it
[07:23]<znysyj>IE probably never will
[07:23]<vyzusdjvnev>i know
[07:23]<znysyj>as I said, they have their own proprietary implementation
[07:23]<znysyj>of course there's nothing stopping a person (like you) from making your own implementation :)
[07:24]<znysyj>I can see it now
[07:24]<znysyj>a program that feeds JavaScript pixel dimensions for font placement
[07:24]<znysyj>or you could do it server-side
[07:24]<vyzusdjvnev>i don't know javascript :(
[08:01]<wdrrvs>Is there any attribute name that's the same as a tag name?
[08:01]<wdrrvs>and does the HTML spec allow it, theoretically?
[08:05]<znysyj>let's see...
[08:05]<znysyj>you mean if you made your own DTD would it be valid?
[08:06]<znysyj>`html abbr
[08:06]<rtfs>html abbr: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-ABBR
[08:06]<znysyj>abbr, that's one
[08:06]<znysyj>(that's both an element and attribute)
[08:06]<znysyj>code is another
[08:06]<znysyj>frame
[08:06]<znysyj>label
[08:07]<znysyj>link
[08:07]<znysyj>object
[08:07]<znysyj>span
[08:07]<znysyj>style (obvious one)
[08:07]<znysyj>title (another obvious one)
[08:07]<znysyj>think that's all (for HTML 4.01), but I may have missed some :)
[08:12]<znysyj>wycats: that satisfy you? :p
[08:14]<wdrrvs>yipes
[08:14]<znzjs>yowzers
[08:15]<znysyj>Zeros: I'm sayin' :p
[08:24]<znzjs>hehe
[09:24]<[wv]>Hi, i want to align an <img> at the bottom of a table cell but for some reason it remains centered despite my inclusion of "align=bottom", how come ?
[09:35]<znysyj>[xt]: what's the image of?
[09:36]<znysyj>1) you're probably using tables inapproprately (for layout - see http://hotdesign.com/seybold/everything.html ) 2) you're probably using 'img' elements inappropriately (for decoration - use CSS instead: td { background: url(image.png) no-repeat bottom center; } )
[09:37]<[wv]>yeah i realized i need to use CSS
[09:38]<[wv]>i'm so behind the times =(
[09:38]<znysyj>never fear, #css is here
[09:39]<rsmw>why using <img /> is bad?
[09:40]<rsmw>the idea is to move all the decoration stuff in css right?
[09:40]<rsmw>and leave html just for data?
[09:41]<znysyj>right
[09:41]<rsmw>:)
[09:45]<znysyj>it will, in time
[09:45]<rsmw>:)
[09:46]<rsmw>i can see all the web becoming fully standard
[09:48]<[wv]>why would i want to separate my content from my decorations
[09:49]<znysyj>to separate function from appearance
[09:49]<[wv]>okay. why would i want to separate function from appearance.

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