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[02:26]<mdfcd>I'll try that link NineTeen67Comet, I tried looking at w3schools but couldn't find what I was looking for
[02:27]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>w3schools is good stuff, but for me it's way too in depth, I need "here kid, this is how you do it, not go play with it" .. kind of stuff ..
[02:27]<rmfry>dot-com, not dot-org, sorry
[02:29]<rmfry>afaik text-align:center should center images as well as text
[02:29]<rmfry>especially if you put it in a <div>
[02:30]<mdfcd>I'll try it
[02:32]<mdfcd>that worked fine, Adlai
[02:33]<juvfrwo9>use the <center>- tag ;)
[02:34]<mdfcd>lol :D
[02:34]<rmfry>he's doing xhtml
[02:35]<juvfrwo9>*gone* back to work ;)
[02:37]<dnzs>hi folks. i'm familiar with basic html but am venturing into the world of dynamic sites. if you were to design a site with both static and dynamic content, and didn't want to retrieve the former each time the latter changed, how would you lay out a page? framesets?
[02:38]<rmfry>I'd go with ajax myself
[02:39]<rmfry>arax, really
[02:39]<rmfry>but that's because I <3 ruby
[02:40]<rwpuf>hi
[02:41]<dnzs>Adlai: ajax only partially helps
[02:42]<dnzs>Adlai: if i have 20 pages that take user input, ajax can update each individual page, but i'd still be repeating html across all 20 of them to draw menus and headers and footers and stuff
[02:42]<rmfry>right
[02:43]<rmfry>with ajax you only request the selected data, which is why it works
[02:43]<rmfry>it seems like exactly what he's asking for
[02:43]<rmfry>oh wait you're the same person
[02:44]<rmfry>do you mean you don't want to retype all the headers when you're designing it, or you don't want to have a lot of server load, which would be increased by all the static content being updated each time the dynamic is
[02:45]<rmfry>if you just don't want to retype headers, use either ruby on rails, and use forms, or use php and do a require();
[02:45]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>How'd they do that? .. I would like to learn how to make my pages load like this .. links on the left cleanly load in the main area of the page .. w/out reloading the header .. I'm having the toughest time with php includes, but I'm assuming that's how they do it .. good tutorials any one?
[02:45]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>http://jp2.php.net/manual/en/function.get-include-path.php
[02:45]<rmfry>no tutorials, but I can tell you how
[02:46]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>Adlai: Even with my limited (Insert "no") knowledge of php? .. I'm using iFrames right now and NOT enjoying it ..
[02:46]<ajsxz>i am trying to create a cache of a website like myspace, basically a search type thing like google or yahoo
[02:46]<ajsxz>what is the best way to crawl the site. are there any papers on this sort of thing
[02:47]<rmfry>you know what, looking at their source, I _don't_ know how they did that
[02:47]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>grin .. that's about what I said when I looked too .. said some colorful words, and asked in here .. lol
[02:47]<rmfry>if it were me, I'd either use actual frames (iFrames blow hard), or use ajax
[02:48]<rmfry>if you use actual frames, you can define the frame name, and then use a target="name" attribute in the <a> tag
[02:48]<ajsxz>no suggestions on how to scan websites?
[02:48]<rmfry>then you have to mess around with borders so the frames don't look ugly
[02:49]<ajsxz>im trying to search myspace but I would like to have a more upto date database than googles which is updated weekly
[02:49]<gyggvggg66cjdgv>Adlai: that's how I've done a lot of the sites I've done . I'm just tired of frames . css and I are getting aquainted, but it's going about as well as php .. lol
[02:49]<rwpuf>you're looking to crawl all of myspace more than once a week?
[02:49]<rmfry>NineTeen67Comet, I'm going to tell you right now, ajax is going to take some time to learn, especially if you don't know PHP yet, but once you learn it, you'll love it
[02:49]<-- rfgw_yjggsru xrs>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/ <- 3,400,000,000+ users can't be wrong")
[02:49]<rmfry>joshr, are you an internet predator?
[02:49]<ajsxz>awful, well not all but yes basically
[02:49]<ajsxz>Adlai, not exactly
[02:50]<rmfry>not exactly?
[02:50]<ajsxz>adlai, im only trying to crawl the music portion of it
[02:50]<rmfry>oh okay
[02:50]<rwpuf>there's a bunch of spider-type scripts out there already, but I would think something that's trying to track everything on Myspace would need lots of server space and bandwidth
[02:50]<rmfry>read: Google
[02:50]<rwpuf>yeah.
[02:51]<ajsxz>what do you mean
[02:51]<ajsxz>read google
[02:51]<rwpuf>he means, like google.
[02:51]<rwpuf>I think.
[02:51]<rmfry>meaning "something with lots of server space and bandwidth" is pretty much google
[02:51]<ajsxz>oh, right. but i want some more like daily and only the music portion. its only 300,000 pages. i wouldnt need that much bandwith
[02:51]<rmfry>joshr, I don't think you're going to come up with a drastically more efficient search spider than google's that you can run from your home computer by looking around freenode
[02:52]<ajsxz>Adlai, you really dont think
[02:52]<ajsxz>i just dont even know where to jump off from
[02:52]<rmfry>I try not to
[02:52]<ajsxz>its only 300,000 pages
[02:53]<rmfry>what are you searching for so frequently?
[02:53]<rmfry>and have you tried myspace's own search engine
[02:53]<rwpuf>I think they use google
[02:53]<rwpuf>because, you know, nothing's going to work better
[02:53]<rwpuf>heh
[02:53]<rmfry>ahh
[02:54]<ajsxz>awful, ya the only problem with their search is that they dont allow search strings
[02:54]<ajsxz>its just a simple keyword search
[02:55]<gn2djoo>is there an ALT tag alternative for firefox users?
[02:55]<mygy2jv>nebmo88: alt isn't called a "tag", it's called an "attribute".
[02:55]<rwpuf>nebmo88: try TITLE
[02:55]<gn2djoo>thanks minibot i really wanted to know that
[02:55]<rwpuf>not exactly the same, but it's probably the sort of thing you're thinking of
[02:55]<gn2djoo>title didnt work
[02:55]<rwpuf>what are you trying to do?
[02:56]<gn2djoo>i want when i put the mouse over an image is displays some text
[02:56]<rwpuf>yeah, that's title.
[02:57]<gn2djoo>have you used an ALT "attribute" and seen how it works? (i would like the same functionality)
[02:57]<rwpuf>yes.
[02:57]<gn2djoo>ohh it works :|
[02:57]<gn2djoo>it didnt before
[02:57]<gn2djoo>thanks anyway
[02:57]<rwpuf>you're welcome.
[02:57]<gn2djoo>and thank you bot for correcting me :P
[02:57]<rwpuf>it always worked. You were probably the problem :)
[02:57]<gn2djoo>i didnt refresh :)
[02:57]<rwpuf>heh
[02:57]<rwpuf>that'll do it.
[02:58]<ajsxz>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler
[02:58]<ajsxz>theres some links to open-source crawlers
[02:58]<rwpuf>yeah, there's a bunch of pre-existing scripts you could mess with
[02:59]<rwpuf>again, I wonder about bandwidth and storage for that many pages, but if you have the tools...
[02:59]<ajsxz>awful, ya ill look into it
[02:59]<ajsxz>awful, i just no absolutely nothing about the subject so that wiki article seems to be the way to go
[02:59]<rwpuf>it's a start, for sure.
[03:11]<dnzs>Adlai: sorry, got side tracked. wrt the static content, i meant (1) i don't want my server to send it over and over per request and (2) i'd like it to be centralised so that if i make a change once, i change all my pages
[03:11]<rmfry>mmm
[03:11]<rmfry>you'd want to use ruby on rails then
[03:12]<rmfry>and also use its ajax implementation

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