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[09:54]<zzvnzmumn>Madpilot its on my todo list
[09:54]<zzvnzmumn>I wanted to see how limited html was first
[09:55]<wjjsvr>HTML should be semantic
[09:55]<wjjsvr>Don't use html that is about design .. that all belongs in CSS
[09:56]<wjjsvr>(ie, use <strong> and <em> rather than <b> and <i>, put anything that's a list into a list rather than a series of lines, headings ALWAYS go in h* tags ..
[09:59]<zzvnzmumn>hrm
[09:59]<zzvnzmumn><strong> and <em> is html?
[10:00]<wjjsvr>`html strong
[10:00]<rtfs>html strong: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-STRONG
[10:00]<wjjsvr>`html em
[10:00]<rtfs>html em: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-EM
[10:01]<zzvnzmumn>is this formal html now?
[10:01]<zzvnzmumn>the site says w3c recomendations
[10:01]<zzvnzmumn>hrm
[10:01]<mnzmzjjv>and its recommended for good reasons =)
[10:01]<20rv>As opposed to casual?
[10:02]<znysyj>"recommendation" is the W3C's way of saying "this is it"
[10:02]<zzvnzmumn>hrm
[10:02]<zzvnzmumn>so its not just recommended its implemented?
[10:02]<wjjsvr>caverdude: the point it to make your html as semantic as possible
[10:02]<20rv>Recommendation status does rquire some implementation work
[10:02]<20rv>But not a full implementation
[10:02]<wjjsvr>it's 'implemented' in every known browser
[10:03]<znysyj>they can't force people to use their specs, after all
[10:03]<zzvnzmumn>ah
[10:03]<zzvnzmumn>hrm
[10:03]<znysyj>I mean they can, but they're not going to pretend they can
[10:03]<zzvnzmumn>heh
[10:04]<zzvnzmumn>what is this the latest html? 4. something?
[10:04]<wjjsvr>4.01
[10:04]<mnzmzjjv>gawd.... i need to get this stupid dreamweaver page to work with my html... T___T
[10:04]<zzvnzmumn>ah i see it in the link
[10:04]<wjjsvr>Which is about 10 years old :)
[10:04]<wjjsvr>(well .. not quite .. but getting close :))
[10:05]<zzvnzmumn>is there an html version history chart?
[10:05]<wjjsvr>why?
[10:05]<wjjsvr>(you can look at individual tags and their history is normally described)
[11:28]<zzvnzmumn>it looks like html 4.01 has been around for a while
[11:28]<zzvnzmumn>hehe
[11:28]<zzvnzmumn>so I trust its totally supported by now
[11:28]<zzvnzmumn>for the last 5 years or so
[11:32]<znysyj>nope
[11:32]<znysyj>decently so, however
[11:35]<zzvnzmumn>nope?
[11:35]<zzvnzmumn>DTD? this must be something I need to learn about
[11:35]<zzvnzmumn>Document Type Definition?
[11:36]<zzvnzmumn>DTD is xml? right?
[11:36]<zzvnzmumn>what does DTD have to do with html?
[11:36]<znysyj>dtd is not xml
[11:36]<tnrdcxrjs>hi, is there a limit in the lenght of a variable send through GET?
[11:36]<zzvnzmumn>no I meant DTD I associate with xml
[11:36]<zzvnzmumn>sorry
[11:37]<zzvnzmumn>TeamChaos make a demo and try it
[11:37]<zzvnzmumn>TeamChaos or can you?
[11:40]<mnzmzjjv>i want my alt+f and alt+t back!!!!
[11:41]<zzvnzmumn>hijacking?
[11:41]<zzvnzmumn>what do you mean by hijacking?
[11:41]<mnzmzjjv>yeap. they hijack commonly used accesskeys
[11:41]<mnzmzjjv>`html accesskey
[11:41]<rtfs>html accesskey: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.11.2
[11:42]<mnzmzjjv>normally, the alt+f is mapped to firefox's 'File' menu item
[11:42]<mnzmzjjv>but wikipedia mapped their search (find) to 'f' as well, so pressing alt+f gives me their stupid stupid search box
[11:43]<zzvnzmumn>ah
[11:43]<mnzmzjjv>TeamChaos: don't send too much data via GET
[11:43]<tnrdcxrjs>yeah i just heard there is a limit
[11:43]<zzvnzmumn>TeamChaos it may depend on the server
[11:43]<mnzmzjjv>keep it to less than a hundred characters, for niceness
[11:43]<zzvnzmumn>TeamChaos use POST for large amounts of data
[11:43]<tnrdcxrjs>4096 or some, 1024 byte to be on the save side
[11:43]<mnzmzjjv>old limit was about 1K
[11:43]<mnzmzjjv>yes
[11:44]<mnzmzjjv>BUT DONT TRY TO GO THAT FAR. it's really pointless.
[11:44]<tnrdcxrjs>more a fun question
[11:44]<mnzmzjjv>okies
[11:44]<tnrdcxrjs>cause didnt know which code i should take
[11:44]<tnrdcxrjs>i thought i could send it as binary
[11:45]<tnrdcxrjs>01101111011001100110011001101100011010010110111001100101 for offline ;)
[11:45]<mnzmzjjv>...
[11:45]<tnrdcxrjs>just curious if thats not to long
[11:45]<tnrdcxrjs>but i could take 1 or 50 no difference %-)
[11:49]<zzvnzmumn>uggg! civ II won't install on my 64 bit computer
[11:49]<zzvnzmumn>technology sucks
[11:49]<znysyj>that which you use, anyways :p
[11:50]<zzvnzmumn>eventually things you buy with hard earned money die
[11:50]<znysyj>find an emulator
[11:54]<zzvnzmumn>emulater
[11:54]<zzvnzmumn>for a win32 machine?
[11:54]<zzvnzmumn>why doesnt my win64 machine emulate win32!
[12:34]<gfgaaxzjg> http://elekchron.org/ why doesnt the hotkeys for the navigation work in IE?
[15:19]<bnacd><Becky> anyone know how to make the text look more centered www.rebeccas-designs.org.uk/portfolio/tables.html
[16:11]<-- dvxn|syzzzyus xzs>http://www.bagdadsoftware.de")
[18:47]<xyffynvzryf>is there a bug in explorer with making two fieldsets next to each other?
[18:53]<wydlyns>Hi all, I have to create some editor which should be able to add /remove elements
[18:53]<wydlyns>Since I do not know the amount of elements in advance
[18:54]<wydlyns>I am looking for a way to add' html to an html being shown without having to refresh the entire page
[18:54]<wydlyns>(i.e without having to ask the server to add and regenerate the page)
[18:54]<wydlyns>Any html/JS samples I could have a look at ?
[18:55]<-- rfgw_yjggsru xrs>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/ <- 3,400,000,000+ users can't be wrong")

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