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[00:11]<vjdnc_>onyone knows what's the font in the image? http://www.smz-spindelservice.de/_gfx/gfxStartseiteLogo.jpg or is there a web service recognizing fonts?
[00:13]<znzjs>tomek_, you can try http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/
[00:15]<znysyj>tomek_: what's it matter?
[00:15]<znysyj>boring font :p
[00:15]<znysyj>easy to remake in SVG, even
[00:15]<znysyj>which is of course what a logo should be made in
[00:16]<vjdnc_>thanksi try to
[00:16]<znysyj>http://inkscape.org/ :)
[00:16]<vjdnc_>already traced the border, now I'd like to replace the font with real text
[00:17]<vjdnc_>or I can;t use inkspace's tracer properly
[00:17]<znysyj>use paths, text isn't as portable
[00:17]<vjdnc_>oh
[00:17]<znysyj>erm, use the pen tool
[00:17]<znysyj>bezier curves, whatever
[00:18]<vjdnc_>specifically i traced that http://www.smz-spindelservice.de/_gfx/logoHeaderGrau.jpg and wanted to get the letters more clear... great thanks
[00:18]<znysyj>it's handy to separate out what you want to trace before trying to trace it
[00:18]<znysyj>but the letters are so simple, it'd take less time to just remake them from scratch
[00:19]<znysyj>import the JPEG and 'trace' over it manually with the line tools
[00:24]<sgjjffsd>Are there any open source web design websites besides www.oswd.org?
[00:28]<znysyj>snooplsm: every website I've ever been to is open source
[00:28]<sgjjffsd>?
[00:28]<sgjjffsd>the design html?
[00:37]<znysyj>snooplsm: that and more
[00:37]<sgjjffsd>so i can steel googles html?
[00:38]<znysyj>yes
[00:38]<znysyj>you wouldn't want to, though
[00:38]<sgjjffsd>thats wrong!
[00:38]<znysyj>they can't code for shit
[00:38]<znysyj>it's not wrong, it's just the way it is
[00:45]<wnffd>hey all, can anyone point me to any good sources for information on building accessible sites?
[00:45]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>welly: www.w3c.org
[00:46]<wnffd>ideally sites you've seen/used and can recommend rather than www.google.com/search?q=accessible+sites :)
[00:46]<wnffd>hmm
[00:46]<sgjjffsd>www.oswd.org
[00:47]<zzjjgy>hey folks, any idea why my checkbox is not showing up on the same line as my labels?
[00:47]<zzjjgy>http://paste.css-standards.org/1812
[00:47]<eyaexj>Yech on the oswd thing.
[03:33]<zajcny>anyone in here have experience with frontpage.. know if it will 'correct' modifications to html source by default?
[03:42]<znysyj>rjokei: it'll break it
[03:42]<zajcny>?
[03:42]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>do not use frontpage, there
[03:43]<zajcny>then is there a way to make it so that frontpage doesn't screw up a sheet's formatting so it looks all messed up in firefox
[03:43]<zajcny>doesn't*
[03:45]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>heheh
[03:45]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>frontpage usually by default mangles code :P
[03:46]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>so, stay away from frontpage
[03:46]<zajcny>i guess i'll just load it up, and figure it out
[04:56]<ggmzr>hey
[04:59]<gr2ugr-sggsgy>if i have a value for a text box, how do i clear it once i click it?
[04:59]<gr2ugr-sggsgy>i mean have it cleared automaticaly
[06:19]<mnzmzjjv>;support last-child
[06:19]<mygy2jv>deadroot: :last-child { IE 6: N | IE 7: N | Firefox 1.5: I | Opera 8.5: N } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css3pseudoclasses-lastchild
[07:41]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>I need to submit info to a login page that accepts "post" but i either need to not use a form, or i need to hide the form altogether, no annyoing blank line or anything how can this be done?
[07:43]<wjjsvrvjj>yourForm.style.display='non';
[07:43]<wjjsvrvjj>yourForm.style.display='none';
[07:44]<znzjs>um no, you should never access an element like that
[07:44]<znzjs>document.getElementById('myform').style.display
[07:45]<znzjs>:)
[07:45]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>could i just do something within the form itself? like " style=\"display:none;\""
[07:45]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>ignore the \
[07:45]<znzjs>then the form won't be visible at all :/
[07:46]<znzjs>how does the user make the form appear?
[07:46]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>all the form has in it is "hidden" fields, it is merely a shell for posting stuff to another page
[07:48]<znzjs>then give it a class and put .hidden { display: none; } in the css
[07:48]<znzjs>stay clear of inline CSS
[07:49]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>good idea, i never really liked putting styles in the code
[07:50]<vzzyz2pn_jppyan>with css can you have groupings of classes? ie. all of x items have the same 3 base characteristics, and then have 1 unique characteristic, if that makes sense?
[07:51]<wjjsvrvjj>Zeros: WTF was wrong with mine?
[07:52]<wjjsvrvjj>Read it again .. it deosn't say document.forms['blah']
[07:53]<znzjs>WoostaToo, you should never access _any_ element by name
[07:53]<wjjsvrvjj>Erm .. I *didn't*
[07:53]<znzjs>sure you did
[07:53]<znzjs>yourForm
[07:53]<znzjs>thats accessing a the form as a global
[07:53]<wjjsvrvjj>yourForm, not "yourForm"
[07:53]<wjjsvrvjj>It's a var, not a string
[07:53]<znzjs>its not a variable
[07:54]<znzjs>unless you did var yourForm = document.getElementById('yourForm');
[07:54]<wjjsvrvjj>Sure
[07:54]<znzjs>names have no requirement to be unique
[07:54]<wjjsvrvjj>Eh?
[07:54]<wjjsvrvjj>WTF are you smoking?
[07:54]<znzjs>never access an element by name
[07:55]<znzjs>I'm smoking anything, its perfectly valid to use a name more than once, but to get a reference to an element use an ID
[07:56]<wjjsvrvjj>Erm .. yes
[07:56]<wjjsvrvjj>That has nothing to do with it .. yourForm is a pointer to a DOM node representing your Form
[07:56]<znzjs>only if you set it to be so
[07:56]<wjjsvrvjj>CommandPrompt: I don't think it will take anywhere NEAR that amount
[07:57]<znzjs>a browser has no requirement to make elements accessible as globals when you set a name, and because they need not be unique that can cause issues too
[07:57]<wjjsvrvjj>OMG
[07:57]<gzznvxzdzds>Zeros: I don't think he was saying "Call your form 'yourForm' and access it like this"
[07:58]<wjjsvrvjj>Zeros: LISTEN TO ME .. I'm not advocating ANYWHERE calling the form by name
[07:58]<cjddzgdlzjdlv>I'm :P
[07:58]<znzjs>no but his code was misleading, so I corrected it to make it more clear

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