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[02:14]<yffusygr><img src="kangaroo.jpg"><em>the wild kangaroo in action</em></img>
[02:14]<wjjsvr>Which spec does that match?
[02:14]<yffusygr>Woosta: none, I'm suggesting it
[02:14]<yffusygr>It would actually be a block level element instead of an "em"
[02:15]<wjjsvr>You want <p class="captionedImage"><img src="kangaroo.jpg">The wild kangaroo in action</p>
[02:15]<yffusygr>wait, no it wouldn't
[02:15]<wjjsvr>oops .. missed the / in the img tag
[02:15]<yffusygr>Woosta: but semantically that's a hack
[02:15]<wjjsvr>What is?
[02:15]<yffusygr><p class"caption"><img .../></p>
[02:16]<wjjsvr>No, that's *correct* .. though <div> might be more appropriate
[02:16]<yffusygr>it's a gluey...it's not actual semantic association
[02:16]<wjjsvr>Trying to add content to an image is just not correct
[02:16]<yffusygr>I disagree
[02:16]<yffusygr>People do it by using the title="Blarg"
[02:16]<yffusygr>And it's accepted as semantic
[02:16]<yffusygr>right?
[02:17]<wjjsvr>That's not quite the same thing
[02:17]<wjjsvr>Look you can argue all day, but the answer is: No. You can't do it.
[02:17]<yffusygr>Woosta: right right, I don't -- but don't you think it makes sense?
[02:17]<wjjsvr>no, I don't
[02:18]<wjjsvr>The text wouldn't be *part* of the image, so it shouldn't be a *child* of the image
[02:18]<yffusygr>Isn't it more clear to associate by a child relationship than by a sibling relationship
[02:18]<yffusygr>it's meta data
[02:18]<yffusygr>it's annotation
[02:18]<yffusygr>ahh I guess it doesn't matter
[02:18]<wjjsvr>That's a title .. not a caption
[02:19]<yffusygr>No...a title is a summary
[02:19]<wjjsvr>Don't bother arguing it with me .. I have no pull. If you disagree with it, argue it with W3C
[02:19]<yffusygr>Woosta: right, I was just curious if other people agreed with me
[02:19]<yffusygr>I don't think that the way it's down now is so bad
[02:19]<yffusygr>not enough for me to truly care if that gets changed
[02:20]<xuxfyr>question, is there a good howto on how to use XML as a datasource for HTML. I looked at the ones on W3's Site and they dont seem to work
[02:20]<yffusygr>Woosta: thansk for your time, have a good one
[02:20]<yffusygr>thanks*
[02:21]<wjjsvr>huhlig: you need glue of some sort .. either xslt (iirc) or js's xhr
[02:21]<xuxfyr>Woosta, im not understanding
[02:21]<xuxfyr>you need to use some form of script?
[02:22]<xuxfyr>foo.. Its just as easy to write the whole page as a template in perl
[02:23]<xuxfyr>Woosta, what am I missing
[02:24]<vxn-vzrv>`html tbody
[02:24]<rtfs>html tbody: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#edef-TBODY
[02:24]<vxn-vzrv>`html tablebody
[02:37]<vxn-vzrv>`html cell-spacing
[02:37]<vxn-vzrv>`html cellspacing
[02:37]<vxn-vzrv>`html table
[02:37]<rtfs>html table: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#edef-TABLE
[02:39]<cygr2rfu>is there any reason why a textarea with a font-size of 16px wouldn't show up that way in firefox, but does in safari?
[02:40]<znysyj>kinabalu: my first guess would be a syntax error
[02:40]<cygr2rfu>reisio, looks fine in safari though, works....
[02:41]<znysyj>that's nice
[02:41]<znysyj>link?
[02:41]<vxn-vzrv>why does IE recognise the cellspacing attribute on the html tag but not the css property?
[02:41]<vxn-vzrv>is there a different name for the css property?
[02:41]<cygr2rfu>nothing external at the moment ...
[02:41]<cygr2rfu>i can drum up a test
[02:41]<vxn-vzrv>this is for <table> elements by the way
[02:41]<mz-mznw`>the-trav?
[02:42]<mz-mznw`>who do you think you are homey
[02:42]<mz-mznw`>bow down in the presence of the drew
[02:42]<znysyj>the-trav: border-spacing, doesn't work too well
[02:42]<vxn-vzrv>I think I'm the trav
[02:42]<znysyj>usually table { border-collapse: collapse; } td { border: 1px solid black; } gives people what they want
[02:42]<mz-mznw`>i think you need to recognize
[02:42]<znysyj>kinabalu: please
[02:42]<znysyj>;support border-spacing
[02:42]<mygy2jv>reisio: border-spacing { IE 6: N | IE 7: N | Firefox 1.5: Y | Opera 9: Y } http://www.webdevout.net/browser_support_css.php#support-css2propsbasic-borderspacing
[02:42]<znysyj>:p
[02:43]<vxn-vzrv>dangit
[02:43]<znysyj>the-trav: usually table { border-collapse: collapse; } td { border: 1px solid black; } gives people what they want
[02:44]<znysyj>but it's still valid to use the cellspacing attribute
[02:44]<znysyj>just annoying
[02:45]<vxn-vzrv>ok, so now I just need to figure out why firefox is only getting me the top TR when I iterate through childNodes
[02:46]<vxn-vzrv>but that's probably more of a #javascript question
[02:46]<cygr2rfu>reisio, textarea font-sizing issue: http://www.mysticcoders.com/textarea_text.html
[02:46]<vxn-vzrv>thanks reisio
[02:46]<cygr2rfu>reisio, seems to work in camino, safari, but not in firefox which is odd
[02:47]<znysyj>kinabalu: no doctype
[02:48]<znysyj>kinabalu: and style should be in the head
[02:48]<znysyj>`doctype html @ kinabalu
[02:48]<rtfs>kinabalu, doctype html: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
[02:48]<nnvrnx>reisio: are you effiecent in php?
[02:48]<znysyj>Nevaeh: hrmmm, no :)
[02:49]<nnvrnx>lol okay :-) btw congrats on Mayhem Day
[02:49]<cygr2rfu>reisio, still nada: http://www.mysticcoders.com/textarea_text.html
[02:49]<znysyj>I mean I am, but I'm also greatly ignorant, so it doesn't really matter
[02:49]<znysyj>Nevaeh: whasat?
[02:49]<nnvrnx>reisio: the new release
[02:50]<znysyj>of what, PHP?
[02:50]<znysyj>oh fuck
[02:50]<znysyj>don't say IE
[02:50]<nnvrnx>reisio: lol no gentoo 2006.1
[02:50]<nnvrnx>I tihnk..
[02:50]<znysyj>whew
[02:50]<znysyj>yeah I think it's out
[02:50]<nnvrnx>silly
[02:51]<nnvrnx>anyways here http://pastebin.com/780235 I just need the restriction removed, its keep none registered user from seeing this thing and I started commentined things out but I stopped because I didn't know what I was doing lol
[02:51]<cygr2rfu>reisio, really odd that it isn't working like i'd think
[02:51]<znysyj>kinabalu: it's responding to sizing changes, maybe it just doesn't match as well as you'd like

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