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[19:47]<wg22gg>wishkah: good grief! you may wish to have a look at their other standards too
[19:48]<wg22gg>e.g. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
[19:48]<wg22gg>for cascading style sheets
[19:48]<wysxcrx>thanks
[19:48]<wg22gg>in fact here's a handy (but temporary) list: http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/xhtml/specifications
[19:49]<wg22gg>those are all english specs
[19:49]<wg22gg>but most have translations
[19:49]<wg22gg>let me know if you can't find a translation for something you need
[19:50]<wysxcrx>what do you mean, temporary?
[19:50]<wg22gg>wishkah, i mean that URL will change and the same list will be moved somewhere else
[19:50]<wg22gg>(it's part of an XHTML FAQ i'm writing)
[19:50]<wysxcrx>oh okay
[19:51]<wysxcrx>ooogh, that's one pink page :)
[19:51]<wg22gg>pink?
[19:51]<wysxcrx>http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/
[19:51]<wg22gg>yeah people seem to see that as pink
[19:51]<wg22gg>i see it as purple
[19:52]<wg22gg>i don't know if that's my eyes or my monitor
[19:52]<wysxcrx>no wonder you wanna move it ;)
[19:52]<mjscyvj>hello
[19:52]<wg22gg>hello
[19:52]<wysxcrx>hi
[19:52]<wysxcrx>if you have a question, shoot
[19:53]<wysxcrx>webben: that is definatelly pink (firefox 1.5)
[19:53]<wg22gg>is it a purpley pink?
[19:53]<wg22gg>or a pinky pink?
[19:54]<wysxcrx>I mean no offense, truly, but it is the gayest pink there is :)
[19:54]<wysxcrx>and I've been to San Francisco ;)
[19:56]<mjscyvj>wishkah, I don't, or to put it in better words, it's not worth asking html and js drive me crazy anyway ;)
[19:56]<svjgncdlxnz>that's called magenta
[19:56]<svjgncdlxnz>not pick
[19:56]<svjgncdlxnz>pink*
[19:58]<wysxcrx>StoneCypher: maybe so, I'm not a color-expert, but it definatelly can be confused for pink easily.
[19:58]<wysxcrx>StoneCypher: just like it happened to me
[19:58]<svjgncdlxnz>pink is a pastel color
[19:58]<svjgncdlxnz>i don't know anyone who'd make that mistake, personally
[19:59]<wg22gg>it's not just me who thinks it's not pink
[19:59]<wg22gg>i'm not completely crazy :)
[20:01]<wg22gg>i've put the headings into "pink" for contrast
[20:01]<wg22gg>pink is definitely more pastelly
[20:01]<wysxcrx>yes, it really is magenta. but it definatelly is not purple
[20:01]<wysxcrx>it is closer to pink, my opinion
[20:02]<wg22gg>i should probably change the color however
[20:02]<wg22gg>because it's all anybody who sees that page ever notices
[20:02]<wysxcrx>I would change it to purple, something like this: http://chward106.tripod.com/random_graphics/index.album?i=0&s=1
[20:03]<wysxcrx>and I would check my monitor color settings if I were you, webben ;)
[20:05]<wg22gg>wishkah, revisit the link a sec
[20:05]<wg22gg>is the magenta block closest to the "purple" background or the "pink" headings
[20:06]<wg22gg>to my eyes it's closer to the purple
[20:06]<wg22gg>how about yours?
[20:10]<wysxcrx>yes, much better
[20:10]<wysxcrx>I personally would go more into the blue-ish
[20:10]<wysxcrx>but that's a matter of taste, as everything webdesign-related
[20:11]<wg22gg>wishkah, i think the problem with blue was ensuring that blue hyperlinks would still stand out
[20:11]<wg22gg>see the table on http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/emailproviders.php
[20:11]<svjgncdlxnz>most people find magenta uncomfortable
[20:11]<wg22gg>StoneCypher, really?
[20:12]<svjgncdlxnz>yes
[20:12]<wg22gg>that's interesting
[20:12]<svjgncdlxnz>the same is true of most warm colors, red less so than the rest
[20:12]<wg22gg>i think i just wanted a bold color
[20:12]<wg22gg>not yet more black/red/orange
[20:12]<wg22gg>and blue is too useful for hyperlinks
[20:12]<svjgncdlxnz>furthermore it's made more uncomfortable by that your negative space is brighter than the color surroundings without matching it
[20:13]<svjgncdlxnz>oh man, you're still stuck in "links must be blue and that means nothing else can be" mode
[20:13]<svjgncdlxnz>call me when you get free from 1998
[20:14]<wysxcrx>is that spelled right? "Online publicisation" (on rates.php)
[20:14]<wg22gg>i doubt it
[20:14]<svjgncdlxnz>that's the british english spelling
[20:14]<svjgncdlxnz>though publicizing is the preferred conjugation
[20:14]<wg22gg>oh actually yeah it probaby is
[20:15]<wg22gg>it would be a nicer word
[20:15]<wg22gg>i should really put some work into that website
[20:15]<wg22gg>i haven't really touched it for about six months
[20:16]<wg22gg>but atm too busy trying to get my faq working
[20:16]<wysxcrx>actually if you change the magenta/pink/whatever to a more soothing color tone, the page has very good design
[20:16]<svjgncdlxnz>we disagree
[20:16]<wg22gg>StoneCypher, in terms of color choices? or in terms of layout?
[20:16]<svjgncdlxnz>the page is mostly negative space, the borders are unbalanced, the page is very plain
[20:16]<svjgncdlxnz>you say you're a marketer and brander, but there's neither marketing nor branding there
[20:17]<wg22gg>StoneCypher, not really the sort of branding that i mean
[20:17]<wysxcrx>I was just refering to design, it's not perfect but I like it aside from the magenta
[20:18]<wg22gg>i mean the branding i'm talking about is not particularly the sort of branding you see
[20:18]<svjgncdlxnz>webben: but none of the viewers know that
[20:19]<wg22gg>well, i actually discuss what i meant more on http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/marketing.php
[20:19]<wg22gg>basic web2 stuff really
[20:19]<wg22gg>that's only a draft however
[20:19]<wysxcrx>although I'm a fan of pages like gnu.org, good old plain information, no colors, no distraction. BAM.
[20:19]<wg22gg>wishkah, yeah, i tend to prefer minimalism
[20:19]<svjgncdlxnz>don't confuse milimalism with absence
[20:20]<svjgncdlxnz>minimalism doesn't remove the germane content that the user is interested in
[20:20]<svjgncdlxnz>only the framing work
[20:20]<wg22gg>i'm confused, what content did i remove?
[20:20]<svjgncdlxnz>well
[20:20]<svjgncdlxnz>as the user
[20:21]<svjgncdlxnz>i tell you "i don't see branding or marketing" and you say "that's not what i meant and here's some other link"
[20:21]<wg22gg>i see
[20:21]<svjgncdlxnz>if you're there to shephard every one of your users through your page
[20:21]<svjgncdlxnz>then that'll work great
[20:21]<wg22gg>good point

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