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[20:40]<_xl_>rusty: don't use AOL speak
[20:40]<zusvd>i didn't know I was
[20:40]<zjzw>We like standard complete English here B)
[20:40]<zusvd>a toolbar would be nice
[20:40]<_xl_>that should be put in the topic
[22:41]<zxzanz>Colloquy has a unibin
[22:41]<zznd->tbo: because they're old mac losers?
[22:41]<zznd->face it pre-OSX macs had sucked for over a decade.
[22:41]<zznd->post-system-6 to OSX macs were horrid.
[22:41]<|gprdd>richardp: so it is the libs that r killing it? i wsih they would make it possible to remove that.. i have a vm sitting at 12gigs!!!!
[22:41]<svuggnm>cologuy is buggy
[22:41]<svuggnm>irssi striking keys baby
[22:41]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: it probably isnt using all that 12GB
[22:41]<svuggnm>i have 10000 GB
[22:42]<zyzxzzmp>my VM is 5.54GB atm
[22:42]<svuggnm>my vm is 0
[22:42]<cxjusucn>mine is at 8.4GB
[22:42]<vxadrsan>does anyone know some application to download only the headers of e-mails and only download the real email that i select?
[22:42]<|gprdd>richardp: not it is not using all of it.. but it is just insane.. a dashboar app, real ram 940k, vm 384mb!!!1
[22:42]<zyzxzzmp>thomasje: imap
[22:42]<zznd->thomasje: imap...
[22:42]<v2j>grey-: it is sad, that there is no altertive for other formats like RAR ... so you need StuffIt for RAR & Co.
[22:42]<cxjusucn>|nfamy: virtual memory is virtual
[22:42]<zznd->there was _one_ pop3 client called popcorn for w32 that worked in an imapy way.
[22:42]<dzzygg_>my roommate is trying to convince me to pitch in for a 24-port gigabit switch
[22:42]<cxjusucn>the apps are not really using it
[22:43]<|gprdd>it is. BUT part of it is still tied to the pagefile..
[22:43]<cxjusucn>they just think they have access to it
[22:43]<|gprdd>less vm = faster.. normally
[22:43]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: where you getting that from?
[22:43]<zznd->tbo: for unraring you mean? Darwinports I'm sure has some commandline unix tools.
[22:43]<dzzygg_>even though we only have four computers in the apartment, and I'm moving out within a month or three
[22:43]<|gprdd>activity monitor..
[22:43]<anzndd_a>|nfamy: there are a few hints & tips out there on how to disable dashboard. Havn't done it yet, but I never use it. Maybe I am missing something, but most of the apps seem to be things I don't use.
[22:43]<dzzygg_>and I have nothing to copy over the network
[22:43]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: because in top the VSIZE has a lot of other meanings
[22:43]<vxadrsan>i will give that a try
[22:43]<svuggnm>unix in osx is like a virgin who has been fucked in the ass
[22:43]<cxjusucn>|nfamy: I wouldn't be worried.
[22:43]<vxadrsan> i need to download 200k to read one email :)
[22:43]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: yeah, that isnt being used directly, its a figure built from a lot of other figures
[22:43]<2fjgmyn>stunned: not a virgin you mean?
[22:44]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: there will be a lot of shared memory in that figure
[22:44]<vxadrsan>the dashboard is nice
[22:44]<svuggnm>blondie: no a virgin who has only had anal
[22:44]<|gprdd>richardp: depends on what app, looking at that as well
[22:44]<vxznsxzz_>"technical virgins"
[22:44]<vxadrsan>i use to check the delays in public transport
[22:44]<vxadrsan>and check when the train leaves ;)
[22:44]<zyzxzzmp>for example - 'top' has a RSIZE of 908K, and a VSIZE of 27MB
[22:44]<zyzxzzmp>its a 10K binary
[22:45]<cxjusucn>top just thinks it has 27MB of ram available to it
[22:45]<zyzxzzmp>but the 27MB includes libc, kernel stuff etc
[22:45]<svuggnm>fsck it i'm going back to linux...excited re what ubuntu ppc is all about, esp since they are rolling out city wifi in my area in the fall
[22:45]<zyzxzzmp>Chousuke: and that
[22:45]<svuggnm>so no internet for me right now at home it's probly all good and all of that bullshit
[22:45]<cxjusucn>I want a machine to run Ubuntu on. :/
[22:45]<zyzxzzmp>is anyone listening to stunned?
[22:45]<|gprdd>richardp: yeah i figured.. just feel it is a bit much at times
[22:46]<cxjusucn>OS X is wonderful, but I still want to run Ubuntu, too.
[22:46]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: drop into a commandline, type 'top' and tell me how many pageouts you have had
[22:46]<v2j>grey-: there is something, called GUI Tar
[22:46]<2fjgmyn>Chousuke: dual boot
[22:46]<svuggnm>chakakan: run it on your fastest machine...
[22:46]<svuggnm>richard: go back to your druidville.
[22:46]<cxjusucn>blondie: except for dualboot.
[22:46]<cxjusucn>a Macbook would be perfect.
[22:46]<zyzxzzmp>Chousuke: i love my macbook :)
[22:46]<cxjusucn>I'd just run Ubuntu inside a virtual machine.
[22:46]<pjjdsjpv>RichardP: Finally got it?
[22:46]<zyzxzzmp>loomsoft: saturday
[22:47]<cxjusucn>RichardP: I can't afford one :/
[22:47]<svuggnm>chaka: too slow....i need native.
[22:47]<pjjdsjpv>RichardP: Nice!
[22:47]<zyzxzzmp>loomsoft: it now has another 1GB ram
[22:47]<pjjdsjpv>RichardP: ah. Awesome.
[22:47]<zyzxzzmp>mmmmMMmmmMmmMmmmmMMMMMMmmmm
[22:47]<zusvd>is there a way to access linux via something like remote desktop for mac?
[22:47]<cxjusucn>stunned: the virtual machines wouldn't be so slow
[22:47]<zusvd>instead of always using ssh
[22:47]<zyzxzzmp>rusty: X11, vnc
[22:47]<cxjusucn>stunned: something like a 5% slowdown
[22:47]<zusvd>vnc>
[22:47]<zusvd>let me check that out
[22:47]<svuggnm>chaka: emulations isn't slow? tell me when...
[22:48]<zusvd>X11 can launch the "finder" for Linux?
[22:48]<cxjusucn>stunned: I'm not chaka :P
[22:48]<cxjusucn>stunned: the macbooks have hardware virtualisation capabilities.
[22:48]<|gprdd>richardp: 202365
[22:48]<svuggnm>i thought you were chaka Kan
[22:48]<svuggnm>:P
[22:48]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: whats the uptime on that system?
[22:48]<cxjusucn>that means the virtualisation software doesn't need to emulate much.
[22:48]<|gprdd>almost 2 days
[22:48]<svuggnm>Chousuke: pho sho mac makes the best hw...my pipe dream is xserve w/ubuntu server...
[22:48]<|gprdd>just got it on sat
[22:48]<|gprdd>lol
[22:49]<zyzxzzmp>|nfamy: how much ram?
[22:49]<|gprdd>it is one of the new mac books, 1gig or ram
[22:49]<sxzzcxzv>grey-: i have been using windowmediaplayer 9 thru rosetta

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