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[00:00]<ggrfrvgm>+I wonder if ICQ cleared out unused accounts or something
[00:00]<svunnnm>+to the q of the i of the c
[00:00]<svunnnm>+necropheliac? what is going on? i am a child pornographist.
[00:01]<ggrfrvgm>+I wonder if I could find my number on any old backup cd roms
[00:01]<svunnnm>+your number?
[00:01]<svunnnm>+win 1
[00:01]<ggrfrvgm>+yeah, i'm trying to remember my old icq number
[00:02]<tggcrwr>+Any of you use guest pc?
[00:02]<rfrugyr>+enclaved, it do not clean unused accounts
[00:02]<rfrugyr>+or they xD
[00:03]<svunnnm>+kewl :)
[00:03]<rfrugyr>+Tenkawa, use Q, it's better, and free
[00:03]<tggcrwr>+I already own it
[00:03]<tggcrwr>+I was just curious about it vs MS VPC
[00:03]<tggcrwr>+which I allso have
[00:03]<rfrugyr>+it is slow, expensive, just a GUI to an opensource emulator
[00:03]<rfrugyr>+I call it "fraud"
[00:03]<tggcrwr>+kinda what i thought
[00:04]<tggcrwr>+I like VPC the best personally
[00:04]<zyzxzzmp_>-why fraud?
[00:04]<ggrfrvgm>+i prefer vpc over q
[00:04]<tggcrwr>+but since I use it for XP it makes sense it runs decently
[00:04]<ggrfrvgm>+although i hate using them both
[00:04]<rfrugyr>+it is simply Bochs compiled with optimizations ON, put in a GUI and sold as the gold's egg chicken
[00:04]<ggrfrvgm>+i need more ram to be able to actually do anything in them
[00:05]<tggcrwr>+enclaved: I have to be able to run XP until someone comes out with racing analysis software for os x
[00:05]<ggrfrvgm>+yeah, that sounds cool
[00:05]<tggcrwr>+enclaved: I'm running 1.5 gig
[00:05]<ggrfrvgm>+cooler than 'getting angry at how IE renders web sites'
[00:06]<zyzxzzmp_>-claunia: thats not fraud
[00:06]<tggcrwr>+yeah its not fraud.. just uncreative packaging
[00:06]<rfrugyr>+RichardP_, it is, bochs is GPL, you cannot statically link anything that isnt GPL, nor even a GUI
[00:06]<ggrfrvgm>+what?
[00:06]<rfrugyr>+that's a agreement violation
[00:07]<zyzxzzmp_>-claunia: has anyone asked them for the code?
[00:07]<dzzydns>+so do it and keep the code for yourself :)
[00:07]<zyzxzzmp_>-and the gui doesnt even have to be linked
[00:07]<zjzw>+sound like an NSTask deal.
[00:08]<rfrugyr>+RichardP_, it is linked, the bochs binaries are inside the GUI, and they didn't ever said they used bochs, why will them give the source code of the GUI?
[00:08]<ggrfrvgm>+So what proof do you have that it is?
[00:08]<rfrugyr>+enclaved, strings is a great utility
[00:08]<tggcrwr>+btw its LGPL
[00:09]<tggcrwr>+alllows more restrictive control of source you write around it
[00:09]<rfrugyr>+appart from, same bugs, same speed, same compatibility
[00:09]<rfrugyr>+etc
[00:09]<tggcrwr>+so they are in their rights
[00:09]<nj2nv>+ok... seems i can send video over ichat to that aim triton thing now...
[00:09]<nj2nv>+but when i click sound off, it says "sound off" across my video image and it won't go away... annoying
[00:10]<ggrzjsrg>+can you see her?
[00:10]<rfrugyr>+Tenkawa, well, it is GPL, they can modify, link, etc, without freeing code, but, they don't give credits
[00:10]<rfrugyr>+LGPL
[00:10]<rfrugyr>+that violates LGPL
[00:11]<svunnnm>+you violate
[00:11]<nj2nv>+Necrosan: no i only see me, and she says it's all black
[00:11]<dzzydns>+it's not a violation unless you distribute it :)
[00:11]<dzzydns>+heh
[00:11]<rfrugyr>+mgrimes, they SELL it xD
[00:12]<zznd->+gpl + fsf are failures, get over it already.
[00:12]<svunnnm>+i sell my penis
[00:12]<svunnnm>+grey-: failures to what? your closed mind?
[00:12]<zznd->+dual licensing is far worse than anything stallman dealt with when Symbolics split off from teh MIT AI lab.
[00:13]<svunnnm>+copyleft all the way baby. mgrimes do you like creative commons? or is that a failure to your mind as well?
[00:13]<tggcrwr>+LGPL and the GPL are very different
[00:13]<rgvypuaxs>+symbolics? MIT AI lab? the devil's talk on #macosx!
[00:13]<tggcrwr>+they may share components but their intent is very diff
[00:13]<svunnnm>+LPGLABCDEFG
[00:13]<svunnnm>+lighten up
[00:13]<ggrzjsrg>+GPL sux balls
[00:13]<zznd->+antifuchs: lol
[00:14]<nj2nv>+ichat to aim triton doesn't seem to work... appears only solid black in aim triton... :(
[00:14]<dzzydns>+stuNNed: i no nothing about creative commons
[00:14]<rgvypuaxs>+next you're going to tell us that os x rocks for lisp development (:
[00:14]<svunnnm>+mgrimes: no means not know?
[00:14]<dzzydns>+know yes
[00:14]<zznd->+antifuchs: hahah
[00:15]<svunnnm>+the show csi uses osx
[00:15]<zznd->+everyone who's awesome uses OSX.
[00:15]<zznd->+but not everyone who uses OSX is awesome.
[00:15]<a1>+heh
[00:15]<zznd->+I don't know how CSI fits in.
[00:16]<dzzydns>+grey-: well said
[00:16]<ggrfrvgm>+everyone uses os x/macs on tv
[00:16]<rgvypuaxs>+the second part of your statement was made specifically for the show CSI (:
[00:16]<kgzggfo7>+Tenkawa: you home yet by any chance so i can bug u? :-P
[00:16]<zznd->+mgrimes: of course I can think of some exceptions. ;)
[00:16]<zznd->+but speaking in cliched absolutes is more fun.
[00:17]<dzzydns>+yeah there are a few exceptions, like theo and co, but i think more of the surprises like tbfq
[00:18]<dzzydns>+remember when ptacek said he stopped using openbsd because he wouldn't run code with prolific use of goto's :)
[00:18]<dzzydns>+heh
[00:18]<zyzxzzmp_>-mgrimes: hope he didnt go to linux tehn
[00:19]<fgggcs>-is it possible to download ilife 06?
[00:19]<dzugcggdjguv>+ooh, neat.. ATI physics processing on the GPU.. 3 X1900XT cards.. that's insane.. @_@
[00:19]<zyzxzzmp_>-leenks: no, you buy it
[00:19]<dzugcggdjguv>+demo on an Apple display :D
[00:19]<zyzxzzmp_>-leenks: and it gets shipped to you
[00:20]<zyzxzzmp_>-DrunkenDonut: hey, A380s first visit to the US in August :)
[00:20]<fgggcs>-RichardP_: what I mean is, I bought a late edition macmini with a free upgrade to ilife06 - just there is nothing in the box about the upgrade, only the sticker on the outside
[00:20]<dzugcggdjguv>+cool
[00:21]<zyzxzzmp_>-leenks: contact apple - my mac mini had the ilife05 DVD contained within (same deal, 04 -> 05)
[00:21]<dzugcggdjguv>+I laugh at the thought of an A380 trying to land at Buttonville airport here.. think teeny tiny little airport - mostly cessnas ;)

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