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[00:01]<fmcf>+out of curiousity
[00:02]<fmcf>+anyone here ever got a virus on their mac before?
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+nop me
[00:02]<rgmygyus>-I wouldn't know
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+but i have ever heard ppl here
[00:02]<rgmygyus>-I don't run any AV
[00:02]<_xl_>+pdkl: there are no mac viruses
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+clamav
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+there are _hp_
[00:02]<_xl_>+for os x ?
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+since antivirus exists for a platform
[00:02]<wjgcgu>+you could be sure
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+there are virus for this platform
[00:03]<rgmygyus>-wonknu: Not necessarily
[00:03]<_xl_>+no
[00:03]<_xl_>+there are none
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+lol
[00:03]<zsgnmmnzs>+wonknu: find us one.
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+gsnedders, i heard about some rootkextkit
[00:03]<_xl_>+wonknu: how did your exam go?
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+there are probably virus
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+derived on it
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+_hp_, not so bad
[00:03]<wjgcgu>+we will see the results
[00:03]<rgmygyus>-uh, rootkits aren't viruses. =]
[00:04]<rgmygyus>-rootkits are nothing like viruses.
[00:04]<wjgcgu>+bah i know that
[00:04]<smgm``>+wonknu: There are no viruses for Mac OS X
[00:04]<wjgcgu>+just think way how rootkit exploits
[00:04]<wjgcgu>+a virus can use it same way
[00:04]<fmcf>+my windows xp got a virus while it was running under parallels desktop
[00:04]<wjgcgu>+the classical schema :
[00:04]<rgmygyus>-I probably have a virus on Windows
[00:04]<rgmygyus>-I don't run AV there either
[00:04]<rgmygyus>-Of course, my 'e' key doesn't work over RDC anymore
[00:05]<wjgcgu>+non disclosure -» -xday -» 0day -» somebody hears -» public release -» full disclosure -» patched
[00:05]<fmcf>+i have the hd file backed up, just replaced it
[00:05]<cryus>+wonknu: just because you fall the same speed as a bouncy ball when I throw you out of a window doesn't mean you'll both bounce at the bottom ;)
[00:05]<rgmygyus>-I think it thinks WinKey is being held down
[00:05]<wjgcgu>+??
[00:05]<wjgcgu>+Caius ?
[00:05]<cryus>+22:03 < wonknu> just think way how rootkit exploits
[00:05]<cryus>+22:03 < wonknu> a virus can use it same way
[00:05]<wjgcgu>+can, not necessary
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+a good example is the old dcom holes
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+with blaster..
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+nevermind, there are
[00:06]<_xl_>+lol @ pdkl
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+Caius, i will reply : it's not because you haven't heard about
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+that means it doesn't exist
[00:06]<wjgcgu>+;)
[00:06]<cryus>+lol
[00:07]<rgmygyus>-blaster wasn't a virus either.
[00:07]<cryus>+
ACTION goes back to editing his massive config file

[00:07]<smgm``>+wonknu: I think that a virus on OS X will be a pretty big deal and the word will spread quickly
[00:07]<wjgcgu>+it's too early
[00:07]<wjgcgu>+so he will destroy his probability propagation
[00:07]<wjgcgu>+and die miserably
[00:08]<smgm``>+And just because there are anti-virus software for OS X doesn't mean there are viruses for OS X
[00:08]<fmcf>+i have a dream... a script kiddie takes over my virtual windows xp... demands money from me or he will delete... ill just go.. "1 sec, let me just stop the vm machine and replace the image. "
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+lol
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+are you joking
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+seriously ??
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+<synd``> And just because there are anti-virus software for OS X doesn't mean there are viruses for OS X < ???
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+so antivirus are wind ??
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+i dont understand
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+what do they do
[00:08]<smgm``>+If there are viruses for OS X then why did Norton stop developing for OS X?
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+if they aren't virus
[00:08]<fmcf>+synd`: i think norton makes viruses...
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+??
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+pdkl, in the past
[00:08]<fmcf>+they like to scare people so they get more revenue
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+it has been clearly proved
[00:08]<wjgcgu>+not they don't need that
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+there are enough SK
[00:09]<smgm``>+wonknu: To keep Macs from infecting Windows machines
[00:09]<dzzydns>+damn lineform is a pretty pimping illustrator replacement
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+synd`, and why clamav
[00:09]<smgm``>+wonknu: Some people could use OS X as a "filter" for windows
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+has been ported ?
[00:09]<rgmygyus>-It just checks for signatures.
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+perhaps norton didn't enbough money
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+on mac platform lol
[00:09]<smgm``>+wonknu: No
[00:09]<fmcf>+norton is on the way out
[00:09]<rgmygyus>-wonknu: All it does is check against a database of signatures.
[00:09]<fmcf>+they know it
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+yep aedinius
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+like many av does, the primary mecanism
[00:09]<wjgcgu>+compare
[00:10]<smgm``>+wonknu: They didn't make any money because a virus scanner on OS X is pointless
[00:10]<rgmygyus>-wonknu: Yeah. So why does it have to check against OSX signatures?
[00:10]<rgmygyus>-If there are any?
[00:10]<wjgcgu>+ok ok let me find links
[00:10]<smgm``>+Unless you don't want to pass on a virus to a Windows box
[00:10]<wjgcgu>+ask security senior enginner
[00:10]<wjgcgu>+i have seen one here
[00:10]<smgm``>+That is the *only* reason to have a virus scanner on OS X.

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