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[00:01]<lzzzrjga>Sean : D
[00:03]<wjgcgu>* http://weird.fr/index.php?menu=isotf <- five new little weird interludes
[00:04]<nwp>anyone have the stm alley bag?
[00:18]<ggrfrvgm>Sean: why do you need to install tiger on your macbook?
[00:18]<ggrfrvgm>did you break it already?
[00:19]<fnavzyac>Sean: Is this a burned copy of Tiger? The DVD may not be bootable
[00:19]<sgrg>no i was reinstalling it to get rid of the stuff i dont want
[00:20]<sgrg>and i figured it out, i was using the tiger dvd i bought (from last year) which isn't universal
[00:21]<zllzggvyag>how do u take a screenshot??
[00:22]<zysa>shift command 3
[00:22]<zjzr>apprentice: command shift 3 for full screen
[00:22]<sgrg>cmd-shift-3 for whole screen or cmd-shift-4 for a window
[00:22]<zjzr>command shift 4 for selection
[00:22]<zjzr>Sean: you mean cmd-shift 4 and space bar for a window ;)
[00:23]<zllzggvyag>thanks dude
[00:23]<sgrg>heh oops
[00:23]<sgrg>cmd-shift 4 is for selection
[00:23]<zrlaxum>And add ctrl to the combo if you want the screenshot to end up on the clipboard instead of a file on the desktop.
[00:25]<wrw>hey guys... my mac seems really slow lately
[00:25]<wrw>and i have no idea what the problem is
[00:25]<wrw>but when i reboot it, its fine again for a while
[00:25]<wrw>like, something must be sucking up resources
[00:26]<wrw>but i don't know how to tell what it is
[00:26]<wjgcgu>how much ram ?
[00:26]<wrw>1gb
[00:26]<wrw>its like really slow when i change from one app to another
[00:26]<wjgcgu>how many app you open in average ?
[00:26]<wjgcgu>do you open*
[00:26]<wrw>umm, i don't know
[00:26]<wjgcgu>more than 10 ?
[00:26]<wjgcgu>(at the same time)
[00:26]<wrw>define app
[00:26]<wjgcgu>an application
[00:26]<wjgcgu>click click
[00:26]<wjgcgu>it's launched
[00:27]<wrw>well, i have Mail, DeerPark, iTunes, Adium, Terminal (about 6 windows), and Skype open right now
[00:27]<wrw>on the doc
[00:27]<wrw>*dock
[00:27]<wrw>thats not that much though
[00:27]<wjgcgu>look top in Terminal
[00:27]<wjgcgu>what do you have for pageout ?
[00:27]<wrw>VM: 18.9G + 143M 3312117(7) pageins, 4033248(0) pageouts
[00:27]<tggcrwr>look for something chewing up the cpu in top too
[00:27]<tggcrwr>sort by cpu usage
[00:27]<wrw>25308 top 13.6% 0:02.21 1 18 19 876K 320K 2.68M 26.9M
[00:28]<wjgcgu>top -o cpu
[00:28]<wjgcgu>for sorting like Tenkawa said
[00:28]<wyezzmfyrr>top -o cpu -s 5
[00:28]<wrw>oh, some of these vsizes are massive
[00:28]<wjgcgu>don't worry for that
[00:28]<wjgcgu>real size only matters
[00:28]<wrw>19270 firefox-bi 4.7% 6:21:27 25 679 1733 304M 33.4M 260M 2.12G
[00:28]<wjgcgu>and pageout in bracket
[00:28]<wjgcgu>actually you have 0
[00:29]<wjgcgu>hax, if you keep firefox for one day open without quitting
[00:29]<wrw>vsize doesn't matter at all though? cause i've got like massive amounts of vsize
[00:29]<wjgcgu>on macosx, windows, linux
[00:29]<wrw>on all my apps
[00:29]<wjgcgu>or what you want
[00:29]<wjgcgu>it clearly sux memory
[00:29]<zyzxzzmp>hax: vsize is wierd and wonderful
[00:29]<wrw>like, deerpark is 2.12gb
[00:29]<zyzxzzmp>i wouldnt worry about it
[00:29]<zyzxzzmp>just look at RSIZE
[00:29]<wjgcgu>hax, it is how macosx manage the memory (via a lot of caching)
[00:29]<wjgcgu>it's isn't anormal, don't worry
[00:30]<wyezzmfyrr>What is top's default time for updating if you just put in top -o cpu instead of top -o cpu -s 5 for example?
[00:30]<zyzxzzmp>Wizardling: it says in the man page
[00:30]<wrw>so... wtf why is my box so slow
[00:30]<wrw>heh
[00:30]<wjgcgu>do you have sufficient disk space ?
[00:31]<wrw>/dev/disk0s2 232G 58G 174G 25% /
[00:31]<wjgcgu>try xbench and compare to others
[00:31]<wjgcgu>to see what is slow in your computer
[00:31]<wrw>where do i get that?
[00:31]<wjgcgu>i have found on my ibook it's the harddrive
[00:31]<wjgcgu>1MB/s
[00:31]<wjgcgu>very slow :(
[00:31]<wjgcgu>hax, on the internet !
[00:31]<wrw>heh
[00:31]<wjgcgu>don't know the url, search a bit
[00:31]<slrgcj>I don't suppose anyone knows a lot about iCal/iCalendar? I have created an iCalendar "feed" that iCal subscribes to, but though iCal shows the alarm icon for the event, if says "Alarm: None" and does in fact not remind me.
[00:31]<wjgcgu>it's pretty usefull and amusing :p
[00:32]<wrw>okay, getting it
[00:32]<wyezzmfyrr>I must be missing that info on top's man page...
[00:32]<wyezzmfyrr>*looks again*
[00:33]<wrw>ok, xbench is running
[00:34]<wyezzmfyrr>ah, no - I see it now.
[00:34]<wrw>wonknu: umm, it all looks about normal to me
[00:34]<wrw>wonknu: the real hold up is when i like go to do a thing... like say make a new tab in deerpark or open a new application, or switch to an application i havent used in a while
[00:35]<wjgcgu>so perhaps it's only subjectiv..
[00:35]<dzzygg_>mmm, iTunes rental store
[00:36]<wrw>wonknu: i mean, it definitely is laggy, sometimes it can take like 5 seconds to make a new tab in firefox
[00:36]<wrw>err, deerpark
[00:36]<wrw>some difference
[00:36]<wjgcgu>not really :p
[00:36]<wjgcgu>what xbench reports
[00:36]<wjgcgu>compared to others ?
[00:37]<wrw>i guesse i'm an iMac flat panel?
[00:37]<wrw>imac 20" intel

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