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[00:00]<ljjlsdyvx>I don't understand what that's supposed to prove.
[00:00]<szlzzjc>it's not proof, oh pedantic one. But it is what was said at the time. I was there.
[00:00]<ljjlsdyvx>Capitalization CAN be important in enforcing a trademark if the capitalization has meaning.
[00:00]<zfzz_fuzzdyzz>is there updatedb in macosx?
[00:01]<ljjlsdyvx>My point, Saparok, is that capitalization generally has little to do with a trademark if the mark is an invented and specific word, e.g. Xerox or Cocacola or uniX.
[00:01]<szlzzjc>take it up with AT&T.
[00:01]<ljjlsdyvx>*sigh*
[00:01]<szlzzjc>If you want to have a legal debate, go to law school.
[00:01]<szlzzjc>all I know is what the license agreements demanded, and that the reason given was for trademark reasons.
[00:02]<zfzz_fuzzdyzz>/usr/libexec/locate.updatedb
[00:02]<szlzzjc>If AT&T's lawyers lied to all their customers, that's not my problem.
[00:02]<ljjlsdyvx>Saparok: What you are saying has no bearing on what I said, so you might as well not say it.
[00:03]<ljjlsdyvx>I pointed out that it was not in all caps because that's a legal requirement of trademarks (to preserve the original capitalization, as in the filing), which is what you initially claimed.
[00:03]<ljjlsdyvx>If they SAID that's why, fine. I don't dispute that.
[00:03]<ljjlsdyvx>But that's not the real reason. Perhaps the real reason is that they THOUGHT that was a requirement.
[00:03]<szlzzjc>What I said is what the official word from AT&T was at the time. If you want to play games about it, go ahead. That's THEIR STORY.
[00:03]<ljjlsdyvx>I don't dispute that.
[00:03]<szlzzjc>I don't know why, I only know what they required.
[00:03]<ljjlsdyvx>We were talking about why.
[00:03]<szlzzjc>and what they claimed the reason was.
[00:04]<szlzzjc>they said, that was why. Perhaps they were lying. Perhaps they were drunk. I don't really care.
[00:05]<ljjlsdyvx>Then why are you here?
[00:05]<szlzzjc>All I can tell you is, that if you did NOT capitalize it, they would pull your source license.
[00:05]<2zzzvxzjg>AT&T doesn't exist anymore. In fact its the worst telcom company in hiding, SBC. They just hijacked the AT&T name
[00:05]<ljjlsdyvx>Oh, well, that last sentence really pulls it all together. I get it, now. Thank you, Saparok.
[00:07]<ausvyg>You guys argued with him even after he failed to read the jargon file entry?
[00:07]<ausvyg>That should've been a tip-off at the beginning.
[00:08]<ljjlsdyvx>Wow. This guy's name is really T.V. Ramen?
[00:08]<ljjlsdyvx>That's gotta be a sick joke.
[00:08]<dzugcggdjguv>cnf: what's with the funky rocket crash thing?
[00:09]<agp>DrunkenDonut: hmm?
[00:09]<dzugcggdjguv>http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnf/183458034/
[00:09]<agp>hehe
[00:09]<dzugcggdjguv>translation?
[00:09]<agp>DrunkenDonut: Art in antwerp
[00:09]<agp>DrunkenDonut: that was on the main internal road
[00:09]<ljjlsdyvx>http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e97206szs4npk9
[00:09]<dzugcggdjguv>what an inconvenient place for art :)
[00:10]<agp>DrunkenDonut: it sais a misterious rocket crashed on the road, and a female gaint got out
[00:10]<agp>DrunkenDonut: ah, no they had to close that road anyway for workings on that road anyway
[00:10]<ausvyg>A mysterious rocket of iron and wood.
[00:11]<ausvyg>Insulating varnish?
[00:12]<agp>Austin: it's art
[00:12]<agp>it was the start of a series of workshops
[00:13]<ljjlsdyvx>"Art."
[00:13]<ljjlsdyvx>That was my legal defense, too.
[00:13]<ljjlsdyvx>It didn't work.
[00:15]<szlzzjc>intertube.... love it
[00:15]<ljjlsdyvx>You would.
[00:40]<{zzzjg}>hi guys, i hope this is an appropriate channel to ask in. I just connected to a VPN in Mac OS X, and now my routes are all messed up (apparently) and everything is trying to go over the VPN
[00:41]<zyzxzzmp_>{aaron}: well, yes
[00:41]<{zzzjg}>is there a way I can stop this? in windows I had to write a little script so that the VPN didn't try to consume all traffic to a certain net
[00:41]<zyzxzzmp_>if the VPN is pushing the gateway to you, it will
[00:41]<{zzzjg}>but usually routes have priority
[00:41]<{zzzjg}>and should only apply for certain nets
[00:42]<{zzzjg}>their VPN only serves a certain subnet...it's not suitable for accessing the rest of the internet
[00:51]<ajzf-dufn->hey, I've got a disc stuck in my macbook pro cd/dvd drive.
[00:51]<ajzf-dufn->it isn't mounted
[00:51]<ajzf-dufn->how can I get it out?
[00:52]<ggrzjsrg>this will help
[00:52]<ggrzjsrg>http://www.necrosan.com/pictures/laugh.gif
[00:52]<zyzxzzmp_>hit the eject button?
[00:52]<ajzf-dufn->pft
[00:52]<ajzf-dufn->of course!
[00:52]<ajzf-dufn->why didn't I think of that :)
[00:52]<zyzxzzmp_>reboot and hold down both mousebuttons?
[00:52]<ajzf-dufn->okay smart ass, I tried that
[00:52]<ggrzjsrg>hahaha
[00:52]<ggrzjsrg>ban him rich
[00:52]<{zzzjg}>i think i found the solution: uncheck the "send all traffic over vpn" checkbox in the vpn option menu
[00:52]<ajzf-dufn->hehehe
[00:52]<ggrzjsrg>finish him
[00:53]<zyzxzzmp_>Necrosan: shut up
[00:53]<zyzxzzmp_>corp-mule-: is it detected in DU?
[00:54]<ajzf-dufn->you mean df? no.
[00:54]<zyzxzzmp_>no
[00:54]<zyzxzzmp_>disk utility
[00:55]<zyzxzzmp_>use spotlight to search for it
[00:55]<ajzf-dufn->no it isn't
[00:58]<wrxfnn>i need to install a mailing list on os x
[00:58]<wrxfnn>besides mailman, what are my options?
[00:58]<wrxfnn>(mailman doesn't seems to be on fink)
[00:59]<rgmygyus>It's in darwinports
[01:00]<wrxfnn>any other than mailman i should try?
[01:00]<ggrzjsrg>some bad bitches in here corp-mule
[01:00]<ggrzjsrg>some bad ass bitches
[01:00]<ggrzjsrg>BAAAD
[01:00]<wrxfnn>does os x provides some of its own?
[01:00]<wrxfnn>it's a OS X Server.
[01:01]<ajzf-dufn->yeah
[01:01]<ajzf-dufn->you what they say ...
[01:01]<dzzygg_>WHAT YOU SAY
[01:01]<ajzf-dufn->"life's a bitch, then you marry one. If you're lucky, you die."
[01:01]<dzzygg_>TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG
[01:03]<ajzf-dufn->"There's only one thing more important than money. But they won't go out with you unless you have some!" :)
[01:10]<2zzzvxzjg>buy some AAPL stock and make some ;)
[01:11]<myvzz>where could i get some info on how to get an lid close event on a mac laptop?
[01:11]<rrfygw>#macdev?
[01:13]<rgmygyus>Mitar: apple.com/developer
[01:17]<wrxfnn>anyone used both darwinport and pink?

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