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[00:00]<wjgcgu>Wed Jul 26 22:58:25 CEST 2006
[00:00]<wjgcgu>random coffee time !
[00:01]<rgmygyus>heh
[00:01]<bzrygyw>Holy hell! Colloquy is beautiful!
[00:03]<sxzzcxzv>yea
[00:03]<sxzzcxzv>only mostly works
[00:04]<sxzzcxzv>Brainix: in 'system preferences' under 'keyboard' you can turn on full keyboard acceess
[00:04]<sxzzcxzv>allows you to tab thru menu items and enables many hotkeys
[00:05]<rgmygyus>Colloquy just looks like a normal IRC client
[00:05]<bzrygyw>aedinius: Maybe in MacLand. But I'm coming from WindowsLand and LinuxLand. LoL!
[00:05]<rgmygyus>Uhuh.
[00:06]<zznd->sucks, don't it?
[00:06]<rgmygyus>grey-: Nope.
[00:06]<rgmygyus>grey-: Quite nice.
[00:06]<zznd->aedinius: linux I mean.
[00:06]<zznd->irssi is fine.
[00:06]<wjgcgu>sectair ppl == closed mind ppl
[00:06]<rgmygyus>grey-: No, the Linux is fine.
[00:06]<zznd->and screen, screen is useful too.
[00:07]<rgmygyus>Just a shell account. I'm sitting at a Mac
[00:07]<zznd-><nod>
[00:07]<zznd->same, linux shell.
[00:07]<rgmygyus>But I'm using irssi+pork over ssh
[00:07]<zznd->but it could be an osx shell.
[00:07]<zznd->mmm pork, onnk!
[00:07]<rgmygyus>Which would matter little.
[00:07]<zznd->ojnk even!
[00:07]<rgmygyus>Yep
[00:07]<zznd->or a BSD shell
[00:07]<wzzf>I have eight macs here, but I prefer erc to colloquy and irssi
[00:07]<zznd->linux is the worst shell.
[00:07]<zznd->well no, there are some worse.
[00:07]<zznd->but it's down there.
[00:07]<wjgcgu>shell doesn't depend on OS ;)
[00:07]<wjgcgu>zsh > *
[00:08]<zznd->wonknu: yeah, but some OS's make it worse.
[00:08]<zznd->cygwin bash?
[00:08]<zznd->fun
[00:08]<rgmygyus>How is Linux the wort shell?
[00:08]<wjgcgu>ahah i don't understand why since i like *
[00:08]<rgmygyus>worst*
[00:08]<zznd->aedinius: it's not, it's just down on the rungs.
[00:08]<rgmygyus>How os?
[00:08]<zznd->wonknu: I use *
[00:08]<rgmygyus>err How so?
[00:08]<zznd->wonknu: doesn't mean I have to _like_ * :)
[00:08]<wjgcgu>clearly :)
[00:09]<zznd->telnet DOS prompt would definitely be worse than a linux shell
[00:09]<zznd->hell, cygwin'd bash.
[00:09]<wjgcgu>lol yes i nod
[00:09]<wzzf>cygwin is just barely tolerable
[00:09]<wjgcgu>openfirmware prompt is another horrible shell
[00:09]<zznd->yeah...
[00:09]<wzzf>not if you like playing with forth
[00:09]<rgmygyus>All of you are on crack.
[00:09]<wjgcgu>not really userfriendly
[00:09]<zznd->but at least it's a prompt. EFI isn't much in the way of accessible.
[00:09]<wjgcgu>yeah xarq
[00:10]<wjgcgu>*event on #macosx * top worst shells in the planet 2006
[00:11]<wjgcgu>sh is really annoying when you like completion and other things, though it's "sh"
[00:11]<zznd->I've heard the genera shell was pretty rad.
[00:12]<wjgcgu>too minimalist for me
[00:12]<wzzf>I'm trying to get myself to like lush and clash
[00:12]<wjgcgu>esotheric shells wins :)
[00:17]<sxzzcxzv>bash FTW
[00:18]<wjgcgu>raaa
[00:19]<bzrygyw>Is there any evidence that Apple is going to switch kernels with 10.5?
[00:19]<wjgcgu>i cannot intercept signal on NetBSD like i do in linux :'(
[00:19]<wjgcgu>wtf!!!
[00:19]<wjgcgu>no Brainix
[00:19]<wjgcgu>even zfs is still a rumour
[00:19]<rgmygyus>That would be interesting.
[00:20]<rgmygyus>What kernel would we switch to?
[00:20]<wzzf>Brainix: why? how could they possibly justify the engineering time?
[00:20]<wjgcgu>if it is like macosx on x86 in the past
[00:20]<wjgcgu>they can..
[00:20]<wjgcgu>since this engineering time could be hidden
[00:20]<bzrygyw>xarq: I just heard that rumor in this channel. Plus, the OpenDarwin project is dissolving.
[00:20]<wjgcgu>apple doesn't care about opendarwin
[00:20]<wjgcgu>since many years :(
[00:21]<wzzf>Brainix: well, apple closed the kernel on intel so why would they want to stick with opendarwin?
[00:21]<bzrygyw>xarq: I don't know, man. I just heard that rumor in this channel.
[00:21]<wzzf>Brainix: well apple could pull it off, but, again, how would it make them any money?
[00:22]<wjgcgu>he just asks..
[00:22]<bzrygyw>Mach is ugly.
[00:22]<wzzf>Brainix: I mean, it would help the performance benchmarks a *little*... but...
[00:22]<wzzf>they could do better to help speed up python.. it's awfully slow on the Mac
[00:23]<wjgcgu>look what does microsoft, they go into kindergarden/infant school, propose partnership
[00:23]<wzzf>the developer preview of tiger kernel panicked consistently.. it would suck if that happened all over again with 10.5
[00:23]<wjgcgu>so at the youngest age, they are compromised
[00:23]<wjgcgu>apple doesn't do that so much..
[00:23]<wjgcgu>that explains some thing
[00:23]<wjgcgu>this is a way to earn more money
[00:24]<wjgcgu>they will not switch, most of them
[00:26]<zjzw>yeah, it's highly unlikely that they'll switch from xnu.
[00:27]<rrfygw>it better not be dropped
[00:27]<wjgcgu>err, in how many times
[00:27]<wjgcgu>i am sure it will be dropped
[00:27]<rrfygw>i wanna keep this ppc machine for at least another 18 months before i buy a new one

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