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[00:00]<xjfj>it's a good option, i wonder if it isn't good for me too.. but i'm already used to the shortcuts and it would be incompatible if i moved to another keyboard
[00:00]<nwp>gteppel: just drag them there
[00:00]<xjfj>of course the other keyboard would be mine and not on a mac
[00:01]<xjfj>Karina``: what about redo shortcut? and new tab and new window.. i use them alot
[00:01]<xjfj>except the redo shortcut, i can' remember it now
[00:02]<kzzygz``>just switched to dvorak a week ago mainly because the evidence seemed to show it was good for someone with overuse injuries
[00:03]<xjfj>Karina``: it's mainly more confortable yes. you could do that for shourtcuts.. but maybe there are too many usefull shortcuts in os x for you to bother
[00:03]<kzzygz``>been doing a lot of typing lately and have been getting a little sore, so I thought I would force myself to learn dvorak
[00:05]<kzzygz``>I will look into it more, seems like it might be fun to experiment with
[00:05]<ggrfrvgm>ok
[00:05]<xjfj>open: o, new: n, new tab: t, print: p (not much used), close window: w, get info: i, save: s, home(safari): h, select all: a, quit: q, cut: x, copy: c, paste: v, undo: z
[00:06]<ggrfrvgm>ok, thanks for that
[00:06]<xjfj>Karina``: these are the ones i use most, imagine if i had to carry all of them to a special place
[00:06]<xjfj>:D
[00:06]<ggrfrvgm>just in case not everyone knew the obvious shortcuts
[00:06]<kzzygz``>lol
[00:07]<xjfj>enclaved: :p
[00:07]<kzzygz``>I mainly just use shortcuts associated with zxcvw
[00:08]<xjfj>Karina``: using os x for how long?
[00:09]<kzzygz``>hrmm two years roughly
[00:09]<xjfj>hmm, then it's really your method
[00:09]<xjfj>i do more "w" or "n" than "c" or "v"
[00:11]<xjfj>Karina``: when someone looks at your keyboard they will say: "oh, what is that?" and "is it better than qwerty?" you will find hard to answer becouse you won't be using dvorak
[00:11]<kzzygz``>lol
[00:12]<kzzygz``>my answer will be "it works for me and it's not hard to improve on qwerty"
[00:13]<dz_lygc>hi Karina
[00:13]<dz_lygc>whats quarty please?
[00:13]<dz_lygc>qwerty
[00:13]<kzzygz``>hello mr_pink
[00:13]<xjfj>then everyone will be using their personal layouts and everyone will be incompatible with everyone
[00:13]<dz_lygc>i mean
[00:13]<drvnd>holo: which is where OLED keyboards and thumb drives come in :D
[00:13]<kzzygz``>the standard US keyboard layout
[00:14]<ggrfrvgm>yeah I have tons of addtional shortcuts and shit, and using other computers is painful
[00:14]<xjfj>i don't use dvorak to be incompatible or to be different.. it happens qwerty is a pain, and i was tired to type behond my thought..
[00:15]<uppmje>think slower. :)
[00:15]<drvnd>but try buying a dvorak laptop ;)
[00:15]<zyzxzzmp_>ok they really need to fix firefox
[00:16]<xjfj>Davey: where? i simply switched keys
[00:16]<dz_lygc>ah thx a logt
[00:16]<drvnd>can my MbP even do that? :)
[00:17]<djddjd->hi
[00:17]<xjfj>Davey: are OLED keyboards available for the average poor joe?
[00:18]<kzzygz``>only thing with laptops that would kinda suck is moving the keys with all the numpad numbers on them to dvorak locations
[00:18]<drvnd>holo: I haven't see one available, period. beyond that stupid 3 key pos that everybody made such a fuss over
[00:18]<xjfj>i never got used to use numpad anyway
[00:18]<xjfj>:s
[00:19]<xjfj>i know it's slower, blame me
[00:19]<xjfj>Davey: yeah
[00:19]<djddjd->how can i get a part of a text from the first space to the first comma in applescript?
[00:20]<kzzygz``>I don't use numpad much myself but I guess I just like everything looking neat and not lick a hack job
[00:20]<kzzygz``>lick = like
[00:21]<zyzxzzmp_>yay, 10.30pm and theres a domestic happening in the middle of our street
[00:21]<zyzxzzmp_>clothes being burnt, stuff being thrown
[00:21]<zyzxzzmp_>shouting, screaming
[00:21]<zyzxzzmp_>the works
[00:21]<kzzygz``>bleh, still fighting qwerty habits a little
[00:22]<xjfj>Karina``: i don't know of any dvorak keyboard for a mac laptop, but i guess it could be one, at least english
[00:22]<kzzygz``>is ok, I use a desktop, so the transition for me is painless
[00:23]<xjfj>i am portuguese, and i couldn't even find a portuguese dvorak layout (generic model, maybe usb)
[00:23]<ndpjwnzbjjc>Nice. Someone created an "Uninstaller" for OS X, AppZapper: http://www.macnn.com/reviews/review.php?id=221
[00:23]<drvnd>thats like, old news
[00:24]<ndpjwnzbjjc>It is new news to me.
[00:24]<cxjusucn>old news is an oxymoron :/
[00:24]<xjfj>i like the en variant more becouse it has less keys and some caracters don't need modifiers.. but sometimes i feel the need to have one that is portuguese to write emails and documents in portuguese
[00:25]<cxjusucn>You should call them olds or something.
[00:26]<kzzygz``>since when did English have to make sense?
[00:28]<xjfj>english keyboards are better to program, i think mainly becouse they have less keys
[00:29]<ljssyn>anyone in here using Qemu with bridging the virtual nic to the physical nic?
[00:30]<djddjd->no one used to applescript here? :(
[00:30]<nwp>DomDom-: #macdev
[00:30]<djddjd->ok :)
[00:32]<zyzxvsvzfcnz>teh DomDom-
[00:32]<djddjd->oh no! it's a nightstalker!
[00:38]<ndpjwnzbjjc>This is such a cool picture: http://www.apple.com/science/profiles/induquimica/
[01:09]<zzrayjg>I can put NSMutableArrays in an NSArray, can't I? I just need to keep 3 mutable arrays around in this method.
[01:13]<nwp>#macdev gracion
[01:13]<nwp>hi samalex
[01:13]<zzrayjg>oops, nevermind :-)
[01:13]<srdrfnw>hi...
[01:13]<srdrfnw>What's up everyone?
[01:15]<wjgcgu>all is going extremely well
[01:18]<nwp>kif kif
[01:18]<wsrdn>meh
[01:18]<wsrdn>not having the greatest day
[01:25]<rgvypuaxs>huh, how come I can't choose "leave appendable" with DVD+RW discs in disk utilitiy?
[01:27]<rgvypuaxs>I mean, they are pretty much the definition of multi-session-able disks... (:
[01:28]<rgvypuaxs>(afaik, you could even append to them without making the disk multisession at all. but I haven't found a way to append to that disc yet)
[01:31]<nwp>because os x is retarded in that respect
[01:32]<nwp>use burnxfree
[01:32]<rgvypuaxs>e1f: I just tried burnx free, no "leave appendable" love there, either.
[01:33]<rgvypuaxs>and it doesn't like to append to the DVD+RW disc it just burned
[01:33]<rgvypuaxs>maybe I'm missing something... I hope /-:
[01:33]<nwp>it should do multi-session by default
[01:33]<eju2>Is it possible to receive cross-user notifications? For example user B gets email and I see a growl-ish notification when logged in as user A.
[01:33]<nwp>there is a session count at the bottomright
[01:34]<rgvypuaxs>well, the disc I inserted reads as "0 bytes free"

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