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[00:07]<frrfrssn>maybe Ms will have move to a descent fs by the time oss software supports it ;)
[00:07]<lzysd>ufs hopefully 8)
[00:07]<frrfrssn>linux claim write support but the only write you can do is replacing a file with the same byte count
[00:08]<lzysd>that isnt even 'modify' support, if it has to be the same byte count
[00:08]<anfrjuaxy>what do you mean laclasse ?
[00:08]<lzysd>I dont understand why its so hard to write to ntfs though (I dont understnad much about file systems though...) why is it so hard for ntfs
[00:09]<frrfrssn>kelaouchi, that has long as the inner working of ntfs are not disclosed, making it work on other things than M$ will be tricky.
[00:11]<frrfrssn>prism, ^
[00:11]<lzysd>ah
[00:11]<anfrjuaxy>did anybody try to mount 4.2BSD partition form windows ?
[00:12]<dydyc>kelaouchi, try partition magic, i don't know how much of good it'll do but it might work
[00:13]<frrfrssn>kelaouchi, huhu
[00:13]<frrfrssn>that will not work either
[00:13]<frrfrssn>kelaouchi, got a lan ?
[00:13]<frrfrssn>samba is the most sensible way to share data with M$
[00:15]<wvxww>Is there a utillity to make adding icons to blackbox easy
[00:15]<frrfrssn>as blackbox is meant to be iconless ... no
[00:15]<wvxww>lol
[00:17]<anfrjuaxy>laclasse what about if you to have access a partition wich is on the same disk you are runing ?...
[00:17]<frrfrssn>wthww, look @ fbdesk.
[00:17]<wvxww>i have
[00:18]<wvxww>:P
[00:18]<frrfrssn>kelaouchi, thats tricky
[00:18]<frrfrssn>kelaouchi, reading the ntfs partition sure, writing to it not.
[00:19]<frrfrssn>best it to make a fat partition and to write to this using nix.
[00:20]<anfrjuaxy>laclasse do you mean it is possible to write to fat partition ?
[00:20]<frrfrssn>sure
[00:20]<frrfrssn>its ntfs the problem.
[00:20]<anfrjuaxy>ok sorry didn't know :/
[00:20]<anfrjuaxy>thx for information
[00:20]<frrfrssn>np.
[00:27]<mueaxyl>ntfs isn't a problem to write to
[00:28]<mueaxyl>not from linux atleast
[00:29]<frrfrssn>duzchip, enlighten us please
[00:30]<mueaxyl>(cant speak for netbsd but) from linux you can read/write from/to ext2, ext3, reiserfs, fat8, fat16, fat32, ntfs, etc, etc, etc
[00:30]<frrfrssn>commercial driver ?
[00:30]<mueaxyl>Yup
[00:30]<frrfrssn>...
[00:30]<mueaxyl>The new 2.6.16 -kernel got generic support for ntfs-writing
[00:30]<frrfrssn>2.6.17 is latest.
[00:30]<mueaxyl>and there is some open project for writing to ntfs but that project aren't that good. But with a new kernel you can write to ntfs
[00:30]<mueaxyl>i've done it
[00:31]<mueaxyl>i know 2.6.17 is the latest
[00:31]<mueaxyl>but not the latest stable
[00:31]<frrfrssn>it is.
[00:31]<frrfrssn>In short
[00:31]<frrfrssn> * Create a dummy file in Windows (big enough to have room "inside" for the files you wish to import)
[00:31]<frrfrssn> * In Linux, copy files into that file (creation of new files and/or resizing existing files is not supported)
[00:31]<frrfrssn>^
[00:31]<frdr>shouldn't all 2.6 be stable? and don't get new features? :)
[00:31]<frrfrssn>thats what the driver does.
[00:32]<mueaxyl>even numbers are stable releases and uneven versions are unstable releases
[00:32]<frrfrssn>not anymore.
[00:32]<mueaxyl>that's the way it's allways been and probably allways will be
[00:32]<frrfrssn>this was 2.4.X times
[00:32]<mueaxyl>oki, that is my misstake then
[00:32]<frrfrssn>2.6.X is major release
[00:32]<frdr>now linux is 'current' only ?
[00:32]<mueaxyl>but i've written to ntfs-partitions from my slackpart with 2.6.16.18 kernel
[00:32]<frrfrssn>stable releases comes as 2.6.X.X
[00:33]<frrfrssn>i won't call it write support until i can do touch /ntfs/newfile
[00:33]<mueaxyl>if you got 2.6.16 or newer kernel you should be able to write to ntfs
[00:33]<mueaxyl>if you cant just give it a short search at google
[00:33]<frrfrssn>2.6.17-ck1
[00:33]<mueaxyl>and i promise you'll find a solution for it
[00:33]<frrfrssn>i can;t create a new file in ntfs.
[00:33]<mueaxyl>yes you can
[00:35]<frrfrssn>The NTFS support in Linux-2.6 is very limited (because Microsoft doesn't disclose the technical bits about how NTFS works). Specifically, it does not support these operations:
[00:35]<frrfrssn> * Creating/deleting files
[00:35]<frrfrssn> * Growing/shrinking files
[00:35]<frrfrssn>It only allows writing over existing files.
[00:35]<dydyc>This iz my box. There are many like it, but this one iz mine.
[00:35]<frrfrssn>read it yourself:
[00:35]<frrfrssn>http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/ntfs/
[00:35]<dydyc>My box iz my best friend. It iz my life.
[00:43]<lxrmvxry>Dimik: is it also your wife? :)
[01:02]<|mycn|>HUP HOLLAND HUP !
[01:03]<dyfjsg>hup hup
[01:07]<mueaxyl>I should be able to just download the x-sets right?
[01:07]<mueaxyl>and install with pkg_add?
[01:07]<mueaxyl>like xbase.tgz and so on
[01:09]<xsrfyrc>|Mike|: hi
[01:09]<|mycn|>hey hsaliak
[01:10]<xsrfyrc>how are youu
[01:10]<|mycn|>I'm ok bud, u ?
[01:10]<xsrfyrc>i am great
[01:10]<mnrm2ur>hsaliak: yo!@$
[01:11]<xsrfyrc>yo deadbug!
[01:11]<|mycn|>:)
[01:11]<dyfjsg>hsaliak: hey
[01:12]<xsrfyrc>hi milosn
[01:12]<xsrfyrc>i am happily waiting for compiling to finish now
[01:12]<dyfjsg>what happened with the mini hackaton?
[01:12]<xsrfyrc>its underway
[01:12]<srrdrrg>We just started
[01:12]<dyfjsg>sjamaan: how long ull be there?
[01:13]<srrdrrg>Till thursday
[01:13]<|mycn|>'where' ?
[01:13]<dyfjsg>hmmm
[01:13]<srrdrrg>At hsaliak's

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