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[00:00]<rrl>np
[00:01]<zsvzz-w>i cannot go with netbsd till they change their mascot and have a cute plush doll to go with it
[00:01]<zsvzz-w>:)
[00:02]<rrl>astra-x, well, create your own. :p
[00:03]<zsvzz-w>would you say that netbsd's packages are as current and updated as freebsd?
[00:03]<rrl>astra-x, or get a cat.
[00:04]<zsvzz-w>a cat?
[00:04]<mrvnbsm>pkgsrc's packages are current and updated
[00:04]<rrl>astra-x, yes, depending on the packages. Often pkgsrc is faster, but we don't hurry..
[00:04]<mrvnbsm>and netbsd uses pkgsrc
[00:05]<zsvzz-w>:-D
[00:06]<zsvzz-w>any blob drivers in the tree?
[00:07]<rrl>blob?
[00:07]<mrvnbsm>blob?
[00:08]<mrvnbsm>oh
[00:08]<zsvzz-w>blob
[00:08]<mrvnbsm>those binary things from wifi manufacturers? noi
[00:08]<zsvzz-w>binary drivers
[00:08]<mrvnbsm>nope
[00:08]<zsvzz-w>video card drivers
[00:08]<zsvzz-w>etc.
[00:08]<mrvnbsm>nah
[00:08]<mrvnbsm>and thats why
[00:09]<mrvnbsm>netbsd has less hardware support than linux
[00:10]<frdr>there are firmwares for ipw and iwi in sysutils
[00:10]<dydyc>i need wireless tools
[00:10]<frdr>what tools?
[00:11]<dydyc>well at least a scanner
[00:11]<dydyc>like dstumbler
[00:11]<dydyc>which i can not get to work on netbs
[00:11]<dydyc>netbsd^
[00:11]<xsrfyrc>yes netbsd is less ported than linux as well
[00:11]<dydyc>no but freebsd does have that port
[00:11]<mnrm2ur>yeah.. main difference -> user base
[00:12]<dydyc>i don't like linux
[00:12]<dydyc>i like bsd
[00:12]<yreey>hsaliak: you use wip packages ?
[00:12]<frdr>Dimik: get kismet from pkgsrc-wip
[00:12]<dydyc>thanks, will do that right now!
[00:12]<mrvnbsm>YazzY: i think he meant porting the OS
[00:13]<dydyc>i tried to find some wireless package but *wifi* *air* and *wireless* didn't do much
[00:13]<dydyc>(in find that is)
[00:13]<yreey>daveBSD: who meant what ?
[00:13]<mrvnbsm>hsaliak
[00:13]<xsrfyrc>YazzY: sometimes yes why
[00:13]<yreey>daveBSD: what are you talking about ?
[00:13]<mrvnbsm>YazzY: i dont know
[00:13]<yreey>hsaliak: any idea how to check out that repo?
[00:13]<yreey>i need pdns package
[00:14]<xsrfyrc>YazzY: oh well um doesnt pkgsrc-wip.sf.net have the info
[00:14]<yreey>lemme check
[00:14]<yreey>thanks
[00:14]<dydyc>http://phil.servequake.com/women.php
[00:14]<dydyc>amen!
[00:15]<frdr>pkgsrc.se
[00:15]<dydyc>thanks
[00:15]<yreey>lama: its just a list, not cvs repo
[00:16]<yreey>wonder why it's not avaliable as cvsup as well
[00:17]<yreey>oh well
[00:17]<yreey>"pkgsrc-wip (work in progress) is a project to get more people actively involved with creating packages for pkgsrc"
[00:18]<yreey>i never understood that
[00:18]<yreey>why not just send a pr with a new pkgsrc so it can get commited to the main pkgsrc tree ?
[00:18]<yreey>i did that myself
[00:18]<xsrfyrc>YazzY: I think they dont want to deal with so much overhead for new people creating packages as PRs and probably not The Right Way(Tm) as well.
[00:19]<mrvnbsm>YazzY: its a place where in-progress packages can be worked on and tested, so semi-finished patches aren't checked into the main pkgsrc tree
[00:19]<xsrfyrc>so wip helps people get better packages in
[00:19]<mrvnbsm>YazzY: wip packages are often broken
[00:19]<yreey>i see
[00:19]<yreey>so it's a manpower problem
[00:19]<mrvnbsm>directions for checkout are on the website
[00:19]<yreey>not enough people to check pkgsrc commits
[00:19]<mrvnbsm>nah
[00:19]<yreey>daveBSD: i know
[00:20]<mrvnbsm>its more like they want to keep alpha or beta quality stuff out of pkgsrc until its ready
[00:20]<xsrfyrc>YazzY: i believe its also a great place to get packages in for applications that are still in betaish stages
[00:20]<yreey>the freebsd ports i created allways got checked before they got commited
[00:20]<yreey>hsaliak: there are many mature and well tested applications in wip
[00:21]<yreey>daveBSD: and who determines if they are ready ?
[00:21]<xsrfyrc>YazzY: yes like the ones i have put in it :D
[00:21]<yreey>it's just very unconvinient to deal with 2 repos
[00:22]<xsrfyrc>i hear you
[00:22]<yreey>aspecially when you do massive upgrade of the software on your boxen
[00:22]<xsrfyrc>its sometimes very inconvenient to work with that 1 repo as well (pkgsrc) :p
[00:22]<yreey>mixing both can cause much trouble
[00:30]<zsvzz-w>bah brilliant
[00:30]<zsvzz-w>netbsd runs on ultrasparc I correct?
[00:32]<rrl>sure
[00:33]<zsvzz-w>i wonder how tricky it is to boot it on that
[00:36]<wsduzp>well it does, but doesn't support multiprocessing, iirc
[00:56]<ljugzzm>re
[00:58]<rfrumyj`>How can i assign the output o a file to a variable putting this operation in background?
[00:58]<rfrumyj`>I mean, is there a way to do something like this..
[00:58]<rfrumyj`>var=`command`
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>[ istructions.. ]
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>without care if "command" is still running on or not?
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>I've tried with var=`command` &
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>and var=`command &` but without results
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>i've also tried var=`command &` &
[00:59]<rfrumyj`>but of course, i did'nt get any result.

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