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[00:02]<sgzmnz_lb>perhaps i'd better use find instead of ls, because ls creates unnecessary headers (at least for what i want)
[00:02]<sgzmnz_lb>moreover, find /does/ print the whole pathname
[00:03]<sgzmnz_lb>still, i'd expect ls to be able to print full pathnames, as well...
[00:03]<mrvnbsm>Snader_LB: ls -1
[00:03]<mrvnbsm>also ls -r
[00:03]<mrvnbsm>err.. -R
[00:04]<mrvnbsm>ls -1 has no headers
[00:04]<sgzmnz_lb>daveBSD: -1 does print the headers.
[00:06]<sgzmnz_lb>daveBSD: with headers, i mean these headings: ``/etc//X11:'' and those alike.
[00:53]<dyfjsg>haleluja.
[00:53]<dyfjsg>:)
[02:00]<mnzyrm>any flash players for netbsd that work with live web content?
[02:12]<azp>lo
[02:12]<dzezycssjg>lo lo
[02:19]<zzzgnjus>meriad: if you run say, linux firefox (under emul of course), flash works
[02:20]<zzzgnjus>meriad: there is even a pkg: www/firefox-bin-flash
[02:25]<slwnw>flash works great under opera, too
[02:32]<vvuvvfn>Hey, I'm a Linux user and I want to try a BSD. Why should I pick NetBSD?
[02:33]<dzezycssjg>ttuttle: You probably shouldn't I guess..
[02:33]<vvuvvfn>mrEriksson: Why not?
[02:34]<dzezycssjg>Well, users that migrate to netbsd tend to know before-hand which of the bsd-systems they want,, Others (that are "forced" or recommended a certain system) seldom stay long with it..
[02:34]<dzezycssjg>But that's just my opinion
[02:34]<vvuvvfn>mrEriksson: I'm not asking to be forced, I just don't know any of the BSD's and I'm curious what makes them different.
[02:34]<dzezycssjg>I like netbsd because of its clean structure
[02:35]<vvuvvfn>You guys have a driver for the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200, right? (The Centrino 802.11b/g card)
[02:35]<rrday>yes
[02:35]<rrday>ipw or iwi
[02:35]<vvuvvfn>Oh goodie.
[02:35]<rrday>and I ported the driver for Intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG
[02:35]<rrday>under the name "wpi"
[02:35]<vvuvvfn>I'm looking around because I hate Intel's binary daemon for the 3945
[02:35]<dzezycssjg>ttuttle: Yes, I understand that :)
[02:35]<vvuvvfn>camji: kudos!
[02:35]<rrday>ttuttle, no daemon
[02:36]<vvuvvfn>camji: yum
[02:36]<rrday>as for iwi and ipw the *BSD version has no daemons
[02:36]<rrday>the original author is Damien Bergamini you can see on this page
[02:36]<vvuvvfn>camji: So what exactly does the daemon on Linux do?
[02:36]<dzezycssjg>I've been using the iwi-driver on a daily basis for more than a year now, and it works really great :)
[02:36]<vvuvvfn>camji: Does it actually do top-secret things like changing frequencies, or is it just Intel's self-interest?
[02:37]<rrday>ttuttle, I can say "why linux wpi is 13k lines and damien version is 3k lines"
[02:37]<rrday>ttuttle, don't know :)
[02:37]<vvuvvfn>camji: BTW I think Intel should face capital punishment for creating drivers that are more than 10000 lines, without even splitting teh file.
[02:37]<rrday>on wpi Damien set "amrr" algorithme
[02:37]<vvuvvfn>camji: What's amrr?
[02:37]<rrday>ah rate algorithm
[02:38]<rrday>2sec
[02:38]<vvuvvfn>camji: Mmm, hope it works better than the Linux one. Mine usually gets stuck at 1Mb/s, or at 54Mb/s dropping packets.
[02:38]<rrday>ttuttle, he works very well
[02:38]<vvuvvfn>camji: Good.
[02:38]<rrday>I use it with wpi on netbsd
[02:38]<vvuvvfn>camji: Can I run kismet with it?
[02:39]<rrday>don't know :)
[02:39]<fysx>good bye
[02:39]<rrday>I've just ported the OpenBSD version in NetBSD
[02:40]<rrday>if you want to buy a laptop with a 3945 card wpi isn't commited, you can use: http://zulzul.free.fr/wpi/
[02:40]<dzezycssjg>camji: Have you done much porting from openbsd to netbsd ?
[02:41]<rrday>mrEriksson, wpi is my first port.
[02:41]<dzezycssjg>camji: Ah,, I see :)
[02:41]<rrday>mrEriksson, what do you see ? :p
[02:41]<vvuvvfn>It was a mistake, BTW. Still important data on there.
[02:42]<rrday>ttuttle, http://damien.bergamini.free.fr/ipw/ << the *BSD Intel Pro Wireless drivers by damien bergamini
[02:42]<dzezycssjg>I've just started porting some stuff from openbsd and haven't really figured out how to do some of the needed stuff :)
[02:42]<vvuvvfn>Yay, fixed it.
[02:43]<rrday>ttuttle, but if you want to use netbsd with wpi, the driver isn't commited... you have to use my first link.
[02:43]<rrday>mrEriksson, ok
[02:43]<rrday>What did you begin to port ?
[02:43]<vvuvvfn>Augh, /me rolls a die to decide which BSD to install.
[02:44]<rrdag_fgdjg>ttuttle, NetBSD is clean :)
[02:44]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: Alright, NetBSD it is.
[02:44]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: Wait, it can run on my toaster, right?
[02:44]<dzezycssjg>camji: The ipmi-driver and esm for dell system diagnostics
[02:44]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: 'cause I need enterprise-wide appliance support.
[02:45]<rrdag_fgdjg>ttuttle, but if you want some nvidia support, use FreeBSD :)
[02:45]<vvuvvfn>Alright... what's the easiest way to install NetBSD if I'm running Linux? Is there a way I can just untar a system image into a filesystem?
[02:45]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: I have Intel integrated graphics. Will I get 3D support for them?
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>no
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>NVidia made 3D support for FreeBSD only
[02:46]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: Nonono, I have *Intel*, not Nvidia!
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>Oh
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>sorry
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>don't know :)
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>I think you can use the officiel Xfree/Xorg driver only...
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>official*
[02:46]<rrdag_fgdjg>mrEriksson, ok
[02:47]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: That's what I use anyway.
[02:47]<rrdag_fgdjg>ok, so no problem.
[02:48]<vvuvvfn>How do I most easily install NetBSD from Linux?
[02:48]<rrdag_fgdjg>from Linux ? :|
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>I think the better way is to use an install boot CD
[02:49]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: Yeah. Is there a tarball I can unpack or something?
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>you have to:
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>add a FFS filesystem
[02:49]<suzzjugmnz>ttuttle: read the handbook on netbsd.org
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>add a NetBSD ffs bootloader
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>and more
[02:49]<rrdag_fgdjg>http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/
[02:50]<vvuvvfn>camje_lemon: Can GRUB boot NetBSD?

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