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[00:35]<msym>anyone happens to own a sony vaio in here ?
[00:35]<dzezycssjg>No, thank god not :-)
[00:36]<msym>you represent everyone in here ?
[00:36]<dzezycssjg>No, that I do not :)
[00:36]<msym>thank god
[00:37]<dzezycssjg>My opinion is though that the vaio is not well suited for netbsd-users
[00:37]<msym>why is that ?
[00:38]<rrmyf>i did pwn a sony vaio if i remember correctly
[00:39]<rrmyf>the guy was running an unpatched ssh deamon on that
[00:39]<rrmyf>^^)b
[00:39]<sjdw>lol
[00:39]<dzezycssjg>Because they do as most other laptop vendors, cram as much high-end, just released hardware with price as a major factor, which all to often results in hardware combinations that won't work well with netbsd for years to come..
[00:40]<rrmyf>oh great, now he got mrEriksson monologuing
[00:40]<rrmyf>;)
[00:40]<dzezycssjg>aadil :-)
[00:40]<rrmyf>hehe
[00:40]<msym>mrEriksson: give me a break, everything IS supposed to work, it supports everything normally, it just chokes on my ethernet card, which normally supports it
[00:40]<msym>thing is that it says it is not configured
[00:41]<dzezycssjg>msid: As I said, unsupported hardware
[00:41]<dzezycssjg>But, this is just my opinion
[00:41]<msym>it is NOT unsupported
[00:42]<dzezycssjg>Then why is it marked as "not configured" ?
[00:42]<msym>well, there must be a problem in the driver or something
[00:42]<dzezycssjg>Most drivers are enabled in the GENERIC kernel
[00:42]<msym>probably needs to be patched
[00:42]<dzezycssjg>Hence, if autoconfig does not attach a driver to it, it is most probably not supported by your current kernel
[00:43]<msym>normally it IS supported, but...
[00:43]<msym>http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-i386/2006/01/09/0000.html
[00:43]<msym>this is the most relevant thing i could find
[00:44]<dzezycssjg>Well, goddie,, Then it is just unsupported in the 'good' way..
[00:44]<dzezycssjg>That is, netbsd doesn't detect it, but the chipset is supported
[00:44]<msym>well yeah
[00:44]<dzezycssjg>So the driver just needs to know that it should attach to that device
[00:45]<msym>something like that
[00:45]<msym>and it sucks not to have inet once you boot cause you are more or less screwed
[00:45]<dzezycssjg>Right
[00:45]<msym>you need another machine to fetch the code and try to patch the damn thing
[00:46]<dzezycssjg>Hence my opinion on laptops (and other systems) that relay on hype hardware because it is what the kids will buy (or atleast convince their parents to buy)
[00:46]<dzezycssjg>msid: Anyway, I guess that if you download a snapshot of the -current GENERIC kernel, you would get network support
[00:48]<msym>thanks anyway ;)
[00:49]<msym>btw, i tried with 3.0.1, so i don't think that current would help that much
[00:51]<dzezycssjg>3.0.1 is branched from 3.0, not from -current
[00:51]<dzezycssjg>So yes, -current would most probably help
[00:51]<dzezycssjg>If that email was sent in january, it most certanly was merged into -current sometime in the last 6 months
[00:51]<dzezycssjg>And if not, the patch would be quite easy to apply by hand too :)
[01:19]<vsl>can Netbsd be installed in 30 mb?
[01:20]<dzezycssjg>Sure
[01:20]<dzezycssjg>Does require quite a lot of manual tweeks though
[01:20]<vsl>I have an old mac LC2 with a 30 mb disk
[01:20]<vsl>not even sure if it has an FPU, though.
[01:20]<dzezycssjg>Oh, well,, I wouldn't try that if I where you :)
[01:20]<vsl>before I send it to the scrap heap, any way to find out?
[01:21]<dzezycssjg>Any way to find out what ?
[01:21]<dnsvzuavj>hey hows the wireless support here ?
[01:21]<vsl>I also have a POWERPC mac with a 1gb hd, but no open firmware so netbsd is useless
[01:21]<dzezycssjg>Destructo: here == netbsd? If so, it is quite well-supported..
[01:33]<zy2rs>is there a way to use UTF-8 in console?
[01:48]<ydraxygn>ribas, hihi, probably not.
[01:48]<ydraxygn>i was just experiencing the similar issue.
[01:49]<ydraxygn>as far as i know, fbsd is doing something (well, talks about it on mailing lists so far:P) towards a utf capable graphics console.
[01:49]<ydraxygn>cuz well. utf over serial?
[01:49]<ydraxygn>dunno ;)
[01:49]<ydraxygn>all the consoles i know of in bsd systems seem to aim to resemble a serial line.
[01:49]<ydraxygn>of some sort...
[01:49]<ydraxygn>a vtXXX to be precise.
[01:50]<ydraxygn>+ some minor changes here and there.
[01:50]<ydraxygn>btw, i take it macromedia flash is a nono on sparc eh?
[01:50]<ydraxygn>:/
[01:51]<zy2rs>hmmm
[01:51]<vsl>1I thought linux could do a utf8 already?
[01:51]<vsl>lol netbsd is behind
[01:51]<ydraxygn>tsp, linux can
[01:51]<ydraxygn>together with all that other graphics crap in their console code.
[01:51]<vsl>lol why do people use net?
[01:51]<ydraxygn>like bootsplash logo etc.
[01:51]<zy2rs>but we're not talking about linux here
[01:51]<ydraxygn>tsp, good question
[01:51]<zy2rs>;)
[01:51]<ydraxygn>;-)
[01:51]<ydraxygn>its dying isnt it
[01:51]<ydraxygn>;-p
[01:52]<ydraxygn>like all the bsd os
[01:52]<ydraxygn>;-)))
[01:52]<o2nz>we should have a box for free test drive of netbsd
[01:52]<ydraxygn>hehe
[01:52]<ydraxygn>yeah
[01:52]<vsl>is it dying?
[01:52]<vsl>I can't say that until I try it
[01:52]<o2nz>hehe
[01:52]<ydraxygn>Ober, moving the hd around from one arch to another.
[01:52]<zy2rs>linux is dying?
[01:52]<ydraxygn>:p
[01:52]<vsl>no!
[01:52]<ydraxygn>ribas, ech
[01:52]<ydraxygn>;]
[01:53]<zy2rs>d=
[01:53]<ydraxygn>i wish for a better pkg manager in *bsd.
[01:53]<ydraxygn>for binary packages that is.
[01:53]<ydraxygn>dpkg seems a way to go imho.

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