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[10:09]<lxrmvxry>paul0: hmm maybe check that it depends on faad or faad2 package, there would be a line to include the buildlink file in the Makefile or Makefile.common
[10:10]<rv2>re all
[10:21]<2rff>Hello __nico_
[10:23]<dryvj>hey
[10:24]<2rff>hello maito
[10:24]<dryvj>how r u ball?
[10:25]<2rff>I'm okay thanks.
[10:26]<2rff>Yourself?
[10:27]<dryvj>good ty
[10:28]<dryvj>im 1st in queue to get in to assembly
[10:29]<2rff>School assembly? A machine code assembler? You're building something?
[10:29]<dryvj>nono
[10:29]<dryvj>demoparty
[10:29]<vnxdrnn>how vital is having a proper dump device configured?
[10:29]<tnllyax>does one really have to recompile the netbsd-kernel to gain larger SHMMAXPGS?
[10:30]<dryvj>use wikipedia
[10:30]<lxrmvxry>tehmaze: do you mean swap area large enough for kernel core dumps?
[10:30]<lxrmvxry>hi ball
[10:30]<vnxdrnn>phadthai: yes
[10:30]<2rff>hello phadthai
[10:31]<lxrmvxry>Teppich: it still seems so unfortunately
[10:31]<2rff>phadthai: Is it sensible for swap to be always larger than physical RAM?
[10:31]<lxrmvxry>tehmaze: unless you need core dumps for post-mortem debugging, if you have enough RAM you don't need swap on netbsd
[10:31]<2rff>maito: Are you here via a cellphone?
[10:31]<vnxdrnn>phadthai: right, cheers
[10:31]<tnllyax>phadthai: damn. I wouldn't even like to reboot the shipped kernel
[10:32]<2rff>Nasty, nasty lightning outside.
[10:33]<lxrmvxry>ball: if I remember that was a necessity on linux a while back, but it I didn't have any problem on netbsd with various swap amounts... more RAM is always best :)
[10:33]<2rff>phadthai: right, these days I tend to max out mainboards as I order them.
[10:33]<lxrmvxry>ball: of course depends on the setup though... if you expect that your applications need more vm space than your RAM allows, one still needs a lot of swap
[10:34]<2rff>(single 1 Gbyte DIMM in most cases)
[10:35]<lxrmvxry>Teppich: I myself had to increase it for ogle lately
[10:35]<2rff>Hmm... very nasty looking weather on the radar too.
[10:35]<lxrmvxry>ball: we had tropical-like thunderstorms yesterday and today here
[10:35]<tnllyax>phadthai: it the reboot hangs, I have to drive trough the city...
[10:35]<lxrmvxry>one death yesterday, a driver in a car got hit by a large tree which fell
[10:35]<2rff>phadthai: I should probably shutdown and start pulling plugs.
[10:36]<lxrmvxry>ball: I didn't unplug stuff but I use protecting equipment (which I hope would help heh)
[10:37]<2rff>I wonder about MOVs and things on phone lines.
[10:37]<lxrmvxry>houses have lightning protector grounds also
[10:37]<2rff>phadthai: this one doesn't.
[10:37]<lxrmvxry>ball: yeah line also passes through some filter here, not sure how effective it would be however
[10:37]<2rff>I think a direct hit means it's all toast anyway.
[10:38]<lxrmvxry>probably
[10:38]<2rff>(or a hit on the copper between here and the CO, call it a block)
[10:38]<2rff>...or the power of course.
[10:38]<2rff>Which reminds me, I need to spec some UPS.
[10:39]<2rff>...do APC work well with NetBSD?
[10:39]<lxrmvxry>Teppich: :( fortunately it's been a while since I had problems with my remote colocated box heh, but it already happened because of rc.d scripts misconfiguration last year, it's indeed a pain
[10:39]<2rff>hello yukonbob
[10:39]<ducjg2j2>hi ball
[10:40]<lxrmvxry>ball: not using any of the rs232 or usb link form it to the box here, I couldn't tell how well it works
[10:40]<lxrmvxry>s/form/from/
[10:41]<ducjg2j2>deanna: how's the weather?
[10:41]<2rff>phadthai: that's important, especially for the server(s)
[10:42]<2rff>Any other brands of UPS I should look at? We bought Belkin last time but the users toasted them.
[10:44]<lxrmvxry>ball: it just beeps loudly :)) but of course one isn't always on site... but fortunately I never had problems recovering with ffs (I couldn't say the same for ext2 however, which was a nightmare back then on linux)
[10:44]<lxrmvxry>ball: hmm I'm definitely no UPS expert sorry, just using an old one I have for convenience
[10:45]<2rff>Ideally I want the UPS to tell the host/load when AC goes away, and when the battery's getting low so that it can perform a tidy shutdown and then tell the UPS to switch itself off.
[10:46]<lxrmvxry>yeah that would be ideal
[10:46]<2rff>...then when power comes back I'd like the battery to charge a bit before powering up the load.
[10:46]<2rff>I don't know if APC support all that crap.
[10:47]<ducjg2j2>ball: see pkgsrc/sysutils/apcupsd
[10:48]<2rff>yukonbob: thanks
[10:48]<2rff>does a USB UPS just look like a serial one on a ucom?
[10:49]<ducjg2j2>on a related question, anybody using a usb/serial adapter? My laptop doesn't have serial port, but I have headless machines here that'd be nice to connect to
[10:49]<2rff>I've used one.
[10:50]<2rff>...it does what it says on the box :-)
[10:50]<ducjg2j2>what brand? $$?
[10:50]<2rff>Hello ada_
[10:50]<2rff>I think mine's Belkin
[10:51]<2rff>I can't find it :-)
[10:51]<2rff>Ah, bet it's in my laptop bag
[10:54]<2rff>brb, baby's crying
[11:01]<2rff>hello Romeo-
[11:02]<2rff>How much power does an ordinary modern desktop PC use?
[11:02]<rjdnj->moin
[11:03]<2rff>I should power up Mrs. ball's computer
[11:03]<vnxdrnn>ball: depends on cpu / number of disks, those are the biggest consumers
[11:03]<vnxdrnn>ball: and of course crt monitors like some power
[11:04]<2rff>Yes, this one's got a 17" CRT
[11:04]<2rff>Hmm...
[11:04]<vnxdrnn>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_power_dissipation
[11:06]<vnxdrnn>how do I enable SMP/HT support? do I have to recompile the kernel?
[11:06]<zzzgnjus>you'd need an MP kernel
[11:06]<2rff>Gah, now I can't find my power meter
[11:06]<vnxdrnn>carneous: ah
[11:07]<zzzgnjus>however, it's unlikely to get you much gain due to what HT is, and the additional overhead of running a MP kernel
[11:07]<vnxdrnn>carneous: well it now is slow as hell, same result as what I had running linux without SMP support
[11:08]<zzzgnjus>slow as hell? to do what
[11:08]<zzzgnjus>do you simply have one HT cpu?
[11:09]<vnxdrnn>yes I do
[11:09]<vnxdrnn>is it just a matter of installing netbsd-GENERIC.MP to /netbsd
[11:09]<vnxdrnn>?
[11:09]<zzzgnjus>well, running a MP kernel ain't gonna suddenly make your machine a speed demon in that case
[11:09]<zzzgnjus>but hey, don't listen to me, go for it.
[11:10]<zzzgnjus>yes, that is what you would do.
[11:10]<vnxdrnn>ok thanks
[11:10]<vnxdrnn>would do no harm to test an MP kernel anyway ;)

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