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[00:00]<rxrmrjjm>some drivers have lower versions
[00:00]<lyfylq106|eee>most have 1.1
[00:00]<rxrmrjjm>Apparently, I have 1.2
[00:00]<rxrmrjjm>OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.2)
[00:00]<lyfylq106|eee>that was the only officially supported version on Windows afaik (on Vista it's 1.4)
[00:00]<jyg>how did you check that?
[00:01]<rxrmrjjm>glxinfo -v
[00:01]<jyg>man, ROS really is linux and Windows mixed together :P
[00:01]<rxrmrjjm>glxinfo -v in linux
[00:01]<rxrmrjjm>but it still uses Mega
[00:01]<rxrmrjjm>ReactOS still uses MesaGL
[00:02]<rxrmrjjm>how come?
[00:03]<rxrmrjjm>I like the hybrid kernel approach personally
[00:03]<lyfylq106|eee>because 1) i hate monolithic kernels 2) there are better alternatives
[00:03]<rxrmrjjm>there isn't any usable hybrid kernel alternate that runs on most PCs :)
[00:03]<rxrmrjjm>cept for Microsoft BS
[00:03]<zzvd>jin: we use open source code but it isnt linux or any combination
[00:04]<fyzn2rff>linux haters club...
[00:04]<lyfylq106|eee>what do you mean by hybrid kernel?
[00:04]<rxrmrjjm>that's what ReactOS and Windows NT and OS X have
[00:04]<fyzn2rff>I'm installing debian atm, and it's installing for an hour or 1.5 already..
[00:04]<lyfylq106|eee>that's hybrid microkernel ;)
[00:04]<lyfylq106|eee>and OS X doesn't have that..
[00:04]<rxrmrjjm>it does :)
[00:05]<rxrmrjjm>Mach microkernel
[00:05]<lyfylq106|eee>no, it doesn't.
[00:05]<lyfylq106|eee>that's not hybrid really.
[00:05]<rxrmrjjm>XNU is a hybrid microkernel
[00:05]<rxrmrjjm>its a monolithic kernel runnign on top of Mach
[00:05]<lyfylq106|eee>agreed
[00:05]<lyfylq106|eee>but that != hybrid kernel
[00:06]<rxrmrjjm>ReactOS and Windows NT have the same approach
[00:06]<lyfylq106|eee>no they don't
[00:06]<rxrmrjjm>the NT Executive on top of the NT kernel
[00:06]<nydnzjs>someone online, woh can knows the win32k code ?
[00:06]<lyfylq106|eee>haha
[00:06]<lyfylq106|eee>Nimeros, yes, pvt me if it's important
[00:06]<srdb>but the NT kernel is the monolithic part...
[00:06]<rxrmrjjm>the NT Executive has the same jobroll as the monolithic kernel in OS X :)
[00:07]<lyfylq106|eee>NT kernel is not monolithic really
[00:07]<rxrmrjjm>its a microkernel with some stuff thrown in
[00:07]<rxrmrjjm>the XNU's microkernel has a craplaod of BSD stuff in it
[00:07]<afgw_ijggsau>NT Cutler was microkernel hybrid
[00:07]<afgw_ijggsau>NT Vista is monolithic
[00:07]<afgw_ijggsau>according to the NT architects themselves
[00:08]<rxrmrjjm>weird, they moved more stuff to userspace tho
[00:08]<lyfylq106|eee>not as monolithic as linux :D
[00:08]<rxrmrjjm>i know graphics and sound are both in userspace now
[00:08]<afgw_ijggsau>huh?
[00:08]<afgw_ijggsau>graphics is kmode since nt4
[00:08]<rxrmrjjm>not in Vista
[00:08]<afgw_ijggsau>lol
[00:08]<rxrmrjjm>its usermode
[00:08]<lyfylq106|eee>they were in userspace in NT3.x too
[00:08]<afgw_ijggsau>jhaygood: ok, a little intro.
[00:09]<rxrmrjjm>bad driver in XP = BSOD, bad driver in Vista = you can still remote into it and shut down :)
[00:09]<afgw_ijggsau>I work on NT betas since I was a child. I chat and email with NT developers. I write an NT/Win32k kernel/GUI clone. When I say something about NT, it is the TRUTH. There is no contradiction possible. Vista graphics are kernel-mode.
[00:09]<rxrmrjjm>i've remoted into a system with a bad driver and shut it down.. no BSOD
[00:09]<fyzn2rff>oh, that was something
[00:10]<rxrmrjjm>my laptop is running Vista Beta 2
[00:10]<afgw_ijggsau>Fireball: lol
[00:10]<jyg>what the
[00:10]<afgw_ijggsau>i need coke
[00:10]<fyzn2rff>:)
[00:11]<jyg>hey sweet I get voice :O
[00:11]<lyfylq106|eee>yep dude
[00:12]<afgw_ijggsau>who wants to buy me some coke
[00:12]<gznzvljzm>I can
[00:12]<rxrmrjjm>if you lived close enough, i'd give you one :)
[00:12]<jyg>hey jhaygood check it out, you have 007 AND asm in your hostname, lol
[00:12]<lyfylq106|eee>anyone with Community Server experience around? i need to extract all blog posts of one person :)
[00:12]<gznzvljzm>I sending it with swedish mail
[00:12]<afgw_ijggsau>filip2307|zZz: you're a stalker
[00:13]<gznzvljzm>as B letter
[00:13]<rxrmrjjm>007 = part of my IP, asm = location
[00:13]<lyfylq106|eee>GreatLord, that would never get to canada ;)
[00:13]<lyfylq106|eee>morning Myria ;)
[00:13]<gznzvljzm>Hi Myria
[00:13]<mdzyr>lol
[00:13]<fyzn2rff>lips, licking... what's that all about..
[00:13]<jyg>o_O
[00:13]<gznzvljzm>filip2307|zZz : it will come to him arond 1month or so
[00:14]<mdzyr>my parents want to drag me to my grandparents' house 150 miles away
[00:14]<gznzvljzm>or shall I send it with citmail
[00:14]<afgw_ijggsau>RChen you fag
[00:14]<afgw_ijggsau>learn to write dev names
[00:14]<gznzvljzm>it can take up to one year or longer
[00:14]<gznzvljzm>before some thing comes thung
[00:14]<rxrmrjjm>yay for living in ATL :)
[00:14]<lyfylq106|eee>raymondc ;)
[00:14]<afgw_ijggsau>he posted about Yoda
[00:14]<afgw_ijggsau>in NTVDM
[00:15]<afgw_ijggsau>i talkeda bout that last monght when I was working on my exploit :P
[00:15]<lyfylq106|eee>i wanted to make a dictionary out of his blog posts and do a (sophisticated) dictionary attack on the hashes :/
[00:16]<afgw_ijggsau>lol
[00:16]<mdzyr>i think it'd be easier to brute force the ideas
[00:16]<lyfylq106|eee>i thought about that too :D
[00:16]<afgw_ijggsau>lol
[00:16]<afgw_ijggsau>i already know his prediction
[00:16]<lyfylq106|eee>|DrV, no way!

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