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[22:52]<afgw_ijggsau>we'll see for thef ianl
[22:52]<afgw_ijggsau>but thx :P
[22:52]<afgw_ijggsau>I Expected no less of myself :P
[22:52]<pzycot>Alex_Ionescu: what about the 100 GHz CPU ? it is some time faster than current CPUs only that matters ;)
[22:53]<dzzchj22yv>hi all
[22:53]<zzgmnzwzfm>Gedmurphy: i mean i translate a file and also change a few things directly to ma the new language
[22:53]<pzycot>how much faster is irrelevant for me ;)
[22:53]<cjvyvy>Hi DarkHobbit
[22:53]<gnmmuzlxd>you shoudn't be changing code in one resource file anyway
[22:53]<vrdfyg>frik: Perhaps you remember how Intel also ran an integer ADD before the P4 was releazsed at 10GHz, and almost immediately ideas ensued that "aha, the 20-step pipeline is to be able to clock to 10GHz!". Now, we see they only with great effort got it over 3.
[22:54]<cia-t>03ion * r22677 10reactos/dll/win32/kernel32/synch/ (event.c mutex.c sem.c timer.c wait.c): [AUDIT] - Unlock these files, they're just lame wrappers around the NT Kernel APIs that handle them and they're tested by WINE tests.
[22:54]<gnmmuzlxd>they should all be the same, as the programmer originally wrote it
[22:54]<cjvyvy>lol @ "lame wrappers"
[22:55]<fyzn2rff>heh
[22:55]<gnmmuzlxd>I suppose any programmer could add themselves to the headers if they changed a few lines, but it's a bit weird
[22:55]<pzycot>tamlin: i remember, but IBM is already running the 500 GHz CPU (with -200 °C or so) or 350 GHz with 20 °C room temp
[22:55]<vrdfyg>Well they are just "stupid" wrappers. No functionality of their own worth mention. I'm actually surprised they were "locked" in the first place.
[22:56]<zzgmnzwzfm>Gedmurphy: ok... so can we a compromise on the following: new resource files can have a source header and if they have one, the translator is listed as translator
[22:56]<zzgmnzwzfm>:)
[22:56]<gnmmuzlxd>sure
[22:56]<afgw_ijggsau>tamlin: the whole tree was originally locked
[22:56]<gnmmuzlxd>that's entierly fair on everyone
[22:56]<afgw_ijggsau>without discrimination
[22:56]<cjvyvy>I know, it's still funny to call them lame in a commit message
[22:56]<afgw_ijggsau>lame is actually an english word and was one way before internet kiddies started using it.
[22:56]<vrdfyg>frik: The 500GHz wasn't anything as complex as CPU btw (at room temp).
[22:57]<gnmmuzlxd>translators won't then be held accountable for code they didn't write, and possibly don't understand
[22:57]<wynzm_w>I live
[22:57]<zrvnfj>hi wierd_w
[22:57]<wynzm_w>LMAO
[22:57]<cjvyvy>I know it's a real word, I'm just saying it's not what I would expect to be in a commit message ;)
[22:57]<wynzm_w>Just so you know.
[22:57]<wynzm_w>It is ok Wax, I wont bug you today.
[22:58]<zzgmnzwzfm>fine
[22:58]<wynzm_w>Word?
[22:58]<gnmmuzlxd>word wierd_w
[22:58]<zzgmnzwzfm>Gedmurphy: do u want me to change the files which started all this?
[22:58]<pzycot>tamlin: don't know, haven't read about deeper details;
[22:59]<wynzm_w>Are you STILL talking about the .RC translation fudgery??
[22:59]<wzwdzzrjg>word up
[22:59]<sdfggvldrrdrs>heya waxy
[22:59]<wzwdzzrjg>Hi SP
[22:59]<gnmmuzlxd>gtg, bbl
[22:59]<sdfggvldrrdrs>see you later ged
[23:02]<zrvnfj>wierd_w: what's up?
[23:02]<wynzm_w>Not much... Been working on my Catia homework.
[23:02]<wynzm_w>I am not just playing with it--- trying to figure out how to make it export as DXF
[23:03]<wynzm_w>Despite it being intended for use as a professional aeronautics part design software, I think it would work wonderfully as a 3D modeler
[23:04]<wynzm_w>-not \ +now
[23:05]<zrvnfj>nice
[23:05]<zrvnfj>any new fonts? ;)
[23:06]<wynzm_w>You WOULD ask that.... I havent worked on Fonts in a long time... Mostly because FreeType makes me feel HOLY ANGER.
[23:06]<vrdfyg>wierd: I've got some memories of a modeler you could probably learn to like. It's really for industry design, but the smoothness of the use of it (for some things) made me just fall in love with those parts. Let me just try to remember the name...
[23:06]<pzycot>wierd_w: CATIA V5 is cool
[23:06]<wynzm_w>Yes-- I play with V5 at school now.
[23:07]<wynzm_w>They have open labs
[23:07]<vrdfyg>wierd: IronCad, also known as TriSpective(s).
[23:07]<pzycot>wierd_w: i used it in school too; it's the best 3D CAD app i have ever seen and used
[23:07]<wynzm_w>Tamlin-- Catia is what BEOING and Cessna design airplanes with.
[23:07]<wynzm_w>It is basically vectorially driven 3D shapes
[23:07]<fyzn2rff>sounds like BEIJING
[23:07]<fyzn2rff>;)
[23:08]<pzycot>BMW does design their cars, boeing their new plans, NASA their shuttles, etc.
[23:08]<wynzm_w>Really, and exported DXF would be of inferior quality to the vectorial depiction that Catia uses internally---
[23:08]<wynzm_w>But it would let me get my boot in the door with say--- 3ds max.
[23:08]<pzycot>Catia was the first 3D CAD app ever, in 1967 or so
[23:09]<pzycot>* 1969
[23:09]<fyzn2rff>3dsmax isn't CAD at all ;)
[23:09]<pzycot>-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CATIA & http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CATIA
[23:10]<vrdfyg>frik: It's that old?! I didn't know that. No wonder then - with soon 40 years of development it'd better be the best there is. :-)
[23:10]<wynzm_w>I think it is--- Catia is the SHIT.
[23:10]<pzycot>Maya and 3D Max are 3D design apps and no CAD apps at all
[23:11]<wynzm_w>They pay assloads of money to have people that know how to use it here.... But then again, Wichita has 2 cessna plants, a Boeing, a Spirit aircraft, a Raytheon, and a Bombardier.
[23:11]<pzycot>Catia has more files than Vista but does need "only" about 4 GB
[23:11]<wynzm_w>We make lots of airplanes here.....
[23:11]<wynzm_w>:P
[23:12]<wzwdzzrjg>Our Explorer is lacking, at best.
[23:12]<vrdfyg>What I miss is a good-ish 3D CAD app for static 3D geometry, then something completely different for surface modifications. Hierarchical format all the way through the pipeline too, obviously.
[23:12]<pzycot>heah, i know how to use Catia V5, maybe I should work as an CAD designed and get a lot of money ;)
[23:12]<fyzn2rff>frik85 - good idea!
[23:12]<fyzn2rff>:-)
[23:12]<pzycot>but i prefer to code apps
[23:13]<cjvyvy>Make an Open-Source clone of it
[23:13]<vrdfyg>WaxDragon: While lacking, it also gut a few things from the start MS have actually never even shipped. As a developer I'm especially fond of (the idea of) the NT namespace explorer.
[23:13]<wynzm_w>I havent gotten to their using boolean expressions to drive part design yet--- but that sounds like lots of fun.
[23:13]<wynzm_w>They keep training ENGINEERS to use Catia, and not software engineers.
[23:13]<pzycot>Coviti: there are two open source 3D CAD apps, one from US army for UNIX and one based on blender
[23:14]<vrdfyg>Coviti: Have you ever heard the saying "Dream on"?
[23:14]<cjvyvy>lol
[23:14]<pzycot>but that is an area where closed source is the only way, because such software need such a lot of men years of work ...
[23:15]<wynzm_w>An open source reimplementation of Dassault Systeme's Catia!? You are smokin crack boy.
[23:15]<vrdfyg>More like labrador.
[23:15]<pzycot>Google vs. Yahoo vs. MSN vs. AOL (user graph; 2002-2006): http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=5y&y=r&size=large&compare_sites=www.yahoo.com,www.msn.com,www.aol.com,www.microsoft.com,&url=www.google.com
[23:15]<cjvyvy>lol @ weird_w
[23:15]<vrdfyg>wierd: I do assume you've seen "Up in smoke".
[23:16]<pzycot>wierd_w: i said it's not possible
[23:16]<cjvyvy>Exactly why I suggested it ;)
[23:16]<wynzm_w>Frik85-- I agree.
[23:16]<wynzm_w>Coviti-- You have not seen anywhere NEAR the stuff that is possible in Catia, have you?
[23:17]<wynzm_w>They can do assemby simulation.

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