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[00:15]<-- 2yd2nzy xrs fuyv>http://iownmymusic.org/ http://iownmydvds.org/")
[00:20]<ggjmygmgz>A while back a man complained his big floppy drive was eating disks. So I went out, and the gate was up on the 5 1/4 inch drive. There doesn't seem to be a disk in the drive, can I see one you were using?" "Oh, that one, that one." he said pointing at the tiny gap beneath the drive." Not trusting myself to commment, I turned the PC off and opened the case. 5 1/4 disks spilled out. There must have been 20 or 30 of them. I scratched my cheek as I watched
[00:21]<lnnzan>that needs to be rewritten to say CDROM drives.... 5.25" are just too dated. since its undoubtably fiction in the first place :D
[00:22]<ggjmygmgz>yeah
[00:22]<ggjmygmgz>better then 10 1/2" floppys
[00:22]<ggjmygmgz>floppies... ?
[00:23]<lnnzan>I do still keep one 5.25" drive hooked up... my linux home firewall/server has a old dual drive that takes both 5.25" and 3.5"
[00:23]<lnnzan>um, 8"
[00:23]<lnnzan>the original diskette drive was 8"
[00:23]<lnnzan>IBM 3740, I believe.
[00:23]<lnnzan>a whoel generation of CP/M systems used those years before the IBM PC came along
[00:24]<lnnzan>IBM used them to load microcode onto some of the system/370 models (drive was in the front panel of the semi-truck sized main chassis, and boot loaded the microcode), adn also as a punch card replacement for data entry.
[00:24]<ggjmygmgz>my mother had a word processing machine when I was a kid. took 10" or 12" disks or something. Big orange machine.
[00:25]<lnnzan>8"
[00:25]<lnnzan>there was never anything bigger than 8"
[00:25]<lnnzan>big square black disks
[00:25]<ggjmygmgz>ok
[00:25]<ggjmygmgz>Was a cool machine
[00:25]<lnnzan>http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/rochester/rochester_4016.html <- used single sided single density 8" disks to hold the equivalent of 1800 punchcards.
[00:26]<lnnzan>when I was a kid, my dad had a mechanical typewriter. oddly enough, he still has it and it still works.
[00:26]<ggjmygmgz>had a build-in printer that printed striaght to photo paper that you had to develope in a dark room.
[00:27]<lnnzan>i remember thermal printers, but not optical/photo paper chemistry, that would be kinda too expensive and impractical for use.
[00:28]<ggjmygmgz>well, this thing printed out to a canistier, that you took to a dark room and opened it up and cut along lines to make pages, and developed them by hand
[00:29]<lnnzan>for word processing??!?
[00:29]<lnnzan>bizarro.
[00:29]<ggjmygmgz>My parents ran a printing place
[00:29]<lnnzan>sounds like a phototypesetter, not a 'word processor'.
[00:29]<ggjmygmgz>ok
[00:29]<ggjmygmgz>neverheard of a phototypsetter. :)
[00:30]<ggjmygmgz>this thing was OLD
[00:30]<ggjmygmgz>and saved everything on floppy disks the size of my head.
[00:33]<lnnzan>probably was mid-late 70s generation.
[00:33]<lnnzan>8" diskettes first came aroudn 1973, and we being phased out in favor of 5.25" disks around 1980
[00:34]<ggjmygmgz>no idea
[00:34]<ggjmygmgz>I was like 6
[00:34]<lnnzan>i was in college in 73 :D
[00:34]<ggjmygmgz>I just remember how big the thing was
[00:34]<ggjmygmgz>I was in college last year
[00:34]<ggjmygmgz>ok, 2004
[00:34]<lnnzan>usually a phototypesetter output kodalith film rather than paper, so you could etch your litho plates directly from it.
[00:35]<nd0zd>peerce: get the fsck out of here.
[00:35]<nd0zd>really?
[00:35]<ggjmygmgz>well
[00:35]<ggjmygmgz>atfer we developed them, we would cut the text out and set it on something else to line up right, then use that to burn the plate.
[00:35]<nd0zd>never heard of such a thing
[00:35]<lnnzan>a good friend of mine in the 70s worked in a print shop, his girlfriend was a typesetter, she worked on those things all day long.
[00:36]<nd0zd>wild
[00:36]<ggjmygmgz>I did it when I was growing up.
[00:36]<lnnzan>NeoMinder; yeah, that was called 'stripping'. thats what my friend did, stripping and prepress camera work.
[00:36]<ggjmygmgz>I did that as a job in my teenage years
[00:37]<ggjmygmgz>For a four color print place.
[00:37]<lnnzan>remember, this was 10 years before Macintosh and Pagemaker :D
[00:37]<ggjmygmgz>quark express.
[00:37]<lnnzan>Alex was a journeyman camera operator.
[00:37]<ggjmygmgz>I just did it becuase I knew how from when I was a kid
[00:37]<nd0zd>page maker was first
[00:38]<nd0zd>pagemaker was one of the first. aldus corp.
[00:38]<ggjmygmgz>wordstar?
[00:38]<ggjmygmgz>wordstar allowed pics
[00:38]<rrmnsm>no unless they were ascii... well back in the cp/m days any.
[00:39]<nd0zd>okay. i was getting all sorts of scsi errors and this is where i find out if its the JBOD or the drives inside my ultra60 :/
[00:39]<lnnzan>wordstar? um, yeah, wordstar was strictly ascii text, usually on fixed pitch printers, although there was support for Diablo "Daiseywheel" printers that did proportional spacing with a single face
[00:39]<ggjmygmgz>hrm
[00:39]<ggjmygmgz>ok
[00:39]<lnnzan>em0ry; the scsi error should tell you what device its on.
[00:40]<nd0zd>yeah but it was all over the place
[00:40]<ggjmygmgz>just look the the address and the sense data
[00:40]<lnnzan>but if it reports sd### or ssd#### it can be a bitch to track that back to c#t#d#
[00:40]<nd0zd>it did both!
[00:40]<ggjmygmgz>uh
[00:40]<nd0zd>like ... ah see.
[00:40]<nd0zd>its fine now.
[00:40]<ggjmygmgz>just do iostat -E and an iostat -En
[00:40]<nd0zd>whoops
[00:40]<nd0zd>there it goes
[00:40]<lnnzan>its not bad if you just have a couple simple controllers. its a freekin' mess if there's a pile of differnet ones.
[00:40]<nd0zd>Requested Block:
[00:40]<nd0zd>and Unit Attention
[00:40]<nd0zd>i'm hosed
[00:41]<ggjmygmgz>I got that last friday on a 3310 jobod
[00:41]<ggjmygmgz>jbod
[00:41]<nd0zd>i unlplugged the jobd
[00:41]<nd0zd>jbod!
[00:41]<ggjmygmgz>called sun, found out it's on a silver contracy
[00:41]<nd0zd>scsi bus reset occured
[00:41]<nd0zd>over and over again
[00:41]<ggjmygmgz>said they would have someone out to replace the failed disk today... this was last friday
[00:41]<ggjmygmgz>em0ry, you have a failed disk
[00:42]<nd0zd>i'll say
[00:42]<nd0zd>i hadn't setup my mirror/backups yet. time to install solaris again.
[00:42]<ggjmygmgz>are they internal?
[00:42]<nd0zd>yeah, two 18GB internals and 6 140GB externals
[00:43]<lnnzan>oh, wow. iostat -En... where were you when I was having problems with drives on a SSA104 that was formatted with vxvm ??!? :D
[00:43]<nd0zd>i'll just pull two from the jbod and move them inside.
[00:43]<lnnzan>em0ry; why don't you track down WHICH specific drive is getting the error?
[00:44]<ggjmygmgz>what is the jbod?
[00:44]<nd0zd>well.
[00:44]<nd0zd>its a 6-drive model
[00:44]<lnnzan>so?
[00:44]<nd0zd>no that was to neominder

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