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[03:52]<dysvnz_zj2jvj>can anyone give me a clue why the downloaded axis2.war won't deploy correctly on vanilla install of tomcat5 on ubuntu?
[04:26]<nxyndjn>i suppose it depends on what method of "correctly" you're using
[04:41]<dysvnz_zj2jvj>rhizmoe: sorry, was out of room since nobody was answering. i tried copying war to "webapps", then tried deploying war from the /manager app. it fails during load() when tomcat is trying to start the axis2 servlet
[04:41]<dysvnz_zj2jvj>rhizmoe: i can give you the stack trace if you want
[04:42]<dysvnz_zj2jvj>rhizmoe: i made no changes to tomcat nor to the downloaded axis2.war
[04:45]<dysvnz_zj2jvj>that is, no changes other than adding a "manager" user so I could use /manager app to deploy the war file
[05:04]<_drgyra_>ok. I'm a newbie. in java & tomcat. I don't know what is tomcat and why it's needed. I think it's kinda server for java web applications, am I right? Is it much way different from php?
[05:04]<fdcgg>yup
[05:05]<fdcgg>the difference?
[05:05]<fdcgg>its java not php :)
[05:05]<_drgyra_>I know)
[05:05]<uvye>Does PHP spawn a new process for every request?
[05:05]<_drgyra_>ummm... it depends.
[05:06]<uvye>Like how does PHP actually handle requests?
[05:06]<_drgyra_>I'm just thinking of moving from php... so...
[05:07]<uvye>I've never bothered with PHP... But I like to know how it works.
[05:07]<_drgyra_>apache's mod_php launches interpretator internally and then all happens
[05:07]<_drgyra_>or it can be configured as cgi
[05:07]<uvye>Ok, so it just an interpretator handling everything...
[05:07]<_drgyra_>yes.
[05:08]<uvye>So it doesn't have a "server" tone to it?
[05:08]<uvye>s/tone/tune
[05:08]<_drgyra_>apache... iis... etc.
[05:08]<_drgyra_>php can be used competely standalone... even in perl-like system scripts
[05:09]<zczsxzz>not that anyone ever uses it that way.
[05:09]<uvye>Ya, so the server site or should I say the front end that handles the actual connection is the web server, passing the request to the appropriate module which in turn asks the interpretator to process the request.
[05:09]<fdcgg>sarp Uviz
[05:09]<uvye>Sup, how are you?
[05:09]<_drgyra_>of course. not all are so insane)
[05:09]<fdcgg>php is a lot 'looser' with its programming contructs
[05:10]<fdcgg>so long as you get serializable you're sweet!
[05:10]<uvye>Ya, the first time I looked at it, I was like it's really deviating from OO...
[05:10]<_drgyra_>I remember one thread on some php forum... guy wrote program that connects two windows boxes with lpt wire and acted like proxy for web ))
[05:11]<_drgyra_>5 version is more oop'ish
[05:11]<uvye>But the construct of the language doesn't really enforce that, does it?
[05:12]<zczsxzz>_maniac_: version 5 is... ugh I dunno, I mean what the hell were they thinking with __blah() instead of ClassName() for a constructor?
[05:12]<_drgyra_>you can mix php procedures and html code or you can wroteton of classes for template handling. its up to you.
[05:12]<_drgyra_>*write ton
[05:13]<_drgyra_>Akashra: what the difference? in name?
[05:13]<uvye>Sounds easy to implement but nightmarish to maintain or scale.
[05:14]<_drgyra_>php got it flaws more serious in its oop. for example you can not use static const
[05:14]<fdcgg>get good programming practices
[05:14]<_drgyra_>Uviz: exactly)
[05:14]<fdcgg>then it dont matter which language you use
[05:14]<fdcgg>then its a matter of flavour for the taste :)
[05:14]<uvye>Ya, like COMMENT your code, jesus.
[05:15]<_drgyra_>lyken: +1. MediaWiki is a good example. nice code.
[05:15]<fdcgg>i hate wikis
[05:15]<uvye>Not just that, but if you are doing OO, please make a class diagram.
[05:15]<uvye>Or at least make it known what pattern you are utilizing.
[05:15]<fdcgg>lol
[05:15]<zczsxzz>_maniac_: not that it matters when anyone who wants to overwrite a variable like that can just modify it externally.
[05:15]<_drgyra_>lyken: why? very web2.0)
[05:15]<fdcgg>class diagrams are for managers
[05:15]<zczsxzz>haha
[05:15]<fdcgg>_maniac_: no they just look ugly and usablitiy wise are horrible
[05:16]<fdcgg>they wre written by geeks for geeks
[05:16]<zczsxzz>bahaha. That's gotta be quote of the week lyken :)
[05:16]<uvye>lyken, How do you hold the structure of your design?
[05:16]<_drgyra_>lyken: I agree. implementation of wiki idea most times sucks
[05:16]<fdcgg>Uviz: in my head
[05:16]<uvye>lyken, You already mentioned that last night. :)
[05:16]<_drgyra_>lyken: kkk)))
[05:17]<_drgyra_>I use paper and pen for this.
[05:17]<uvye>I use Rational Rose or Dia, Visio sucks.
[05:17]<uvye>Or at least I don't know where I can get the appropriate templates.
[05:17]<_drgyra_>ok. I'm moving to tomcat.
[05:17]<fdcgg>i hate RR
[05:17]<fdcgg>its bloated more than java
[05:18]<uvye>lyken, Hah, very true. I'm very careful to only use the essentials.
[05:18]<fdcgg>Uviz: i cant wait till they open the jvm
[05:18]<fdcgg>there is gonna be some REALLY fast java apps when that happens
[05:18]<uvye>I know use its class diagram/use case/and sequence diagram forms. Once you done a few, it's very straight forward.
[05:18]<fdcgg>there is a few russian code houses that just cant wait for it
[05:18]<fdcgg>and then man o man, fast fast
[05:19]<_drgyra_>gonna buy some fat and expensive books to put on the shelf and never read, and then download all possible references and official manuals.
[05:19]<fdcgg>_maniac_: with the right google search terms
[05:19]<_drgyra_>lyken: russian? /me hates russians
[05:19]<fdcgg>youc an find the entire oreilly bookshelf collection online
[05:19]<fdcgg>_maniac_: they ar egood programmers though :)
[05:19]<uvye>_maniac_, Or P2P. ;p
[05:19]<uvye>You didn't hear that from me.
[05:20]<_drgyra_>oh... fbi watches logs on this channel?
[05:20]<fdcgg>lol
[05:20]<fdcgg>sif they care
[05:20]<fdcgg>if its been indexed by google what they gonna do?
[05:20]<uvye>What... P2P: Programmer to Programmer.
[05:21]<_drgyra_>LOL!!!!!!!!!
[05:23]<_drgyra_>lol again. googled for my full name and it return only 4 results.
[05:23]<_drgyra_>thanks for answers. going to download all this stuff.
[05:23]<uvye>With quotations or just firstname lastname?
[05:23]<_drgyra_>with "" of course
[05:23]<uvye>I'm going to read a dozen books on servlets/JSP. I'll let you know which one is more productive.
[05:23]<fdcgg>_maniac_: oreilly bookshelf site:.ua

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